On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 07:27:26PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On 08/16/2017 05:32 PM, Umair Chachar wrote:
Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."
Literally what I just said could be counted as "hate speech" because it's such a subjective term. It's a threat to freedom of speech.
Sincerely, Umair Chachar
It's NOT specifically about speech. By definition anyone who would deny, or ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist
And that's just one of the bullshit lies you keep espousing, L! As you consistently mis-represent your "opponent"'s position, and try to do nothing with your "opponent"'s views but "shut it down", you are shutting down nothing other than your own strawman - but you know this, since it keeps getting pointed out to you, and you keep spewing this specific bullshit anyway. Your persistence in this bullshit demonstrates that not only are you politically active in your communication on something you consider important, but that you continue to take only a belligerent extremist position in your communication, leading the read to assume either: a) you are "rationally" assuming that such belligerence is beneficial to your preferred social cause/outcome; or b) you are unaware of the egregiousness of your "techniques" of communication and therefore the disingenuousness abundantly evident in your communication tactics, and fundamentally a fool. In either case, your level of belligerence is offensive. Any sane, rational person would absolutely support you in opposing horrible human behaviour, be it murder, torture or even lesser crimes such as intimidation. But how do you expect any sane rational person support your fundamentally Antifi-like "terrorist" tactics (to use a ridiculously overused and misused term these days)? Yes you have some great stories from your hey day of opposing The Man, with which you regale us occasionally - and hey, thanks, I enjoy reading these of course. And you know enough words to demonstrate an interest in "intellectual discourse". But damn, can you give up your persecution complex already and man the firetruck up?! By founding your entire discourse on a lie, and using this strawman to justify horror untold, you demonstrate that you, Razer or Leigh or whatever you want to be called today, ARE WELL ON THE WAY TO BEING AN ABOLUTE MONSTER. I tend to assume that overuse of THC leads to a sad and significant reduction in self awareness, but such an issue can never justify the horror you keep calling for - YOU either are, or are apparently becoming, the evil you claim to oppose! Good luck all, Zenaan
based on some unalterable feature of their existence like skin color of religion of birth forfeits not only forfeits their right to 'free speech', they forfeit the right to exist themselves, because to allow it implies you'd allow your own self-extermination. In other words you have to proactively act in self-defense.
OFC then they claim to be the victims.
Meanwhile the Stormer article that got them bounced from GoDaddy said (paraphrase) the woman who got run down (a tactic learned from 'islamic terrorists' btw) was a fat 30-something year old woman who hadn't bred and therefore she was worthless. What I said above about "ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist based on..." is operational here.
Also note during the Bundy Bozos Oregon standoff there were adolescents and teen speaking to a city meeting about the refuge occupation literally in tears claiming they were in abject fear of the Bundy crew.
In other words. Terrorism. What do we do with terrorists? ESPECIALLY ones who terrorize CHILDREN?
Death is too good for them. I can't wait to 'victimize' a few affluent white men who can afford 'tactical bacon' and replica military weapons (but forgot their clean socks and tidy [snigger] whities) I knew guys like that at the disc drive company I worked for. They moved from affluent white suburbs to places in semi-rural areas outside cities and were frightened of everything, imaginary marauders who were going to home-invade their semi-rural paradise, and the Mexican restaurant workers next door ('gangbangers' natch) too, and bought guns, and were the most likely people to crack and show up at work to slaughter their co-workers.
Rr
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I'm so glad to hear it!
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Duvos<mpd@wolf359.net <mailto:mpd@wolf359.net%20class=>> Date: On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides To: <cypherpunks@cpunks.org <mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org%20>> CC:
Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right " rally a "fat childless 32-year-old slut, " and the forces of political correctness went wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate. " Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get stomped on without it technically being "censorship ", which is regulation of speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- Mike Duvos mpd@wolf359.net