On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:33:22 -0700 "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw@lig.net> wrote:
In the unlikely event that we elect Trump,
He is unlikely to be elected because he's marginally better than that murderours cunt, your boss hitlery.
The US is too open and too self-examining in public for much false propaganda to get very far for long.
Of course. The only propaganda that the US tolerates is 'true' propaganda.
I'm not sure that American Sniper is propaganda,
Of course not. It's not propaganda! It's jew-kristian art.
The US almost completely holds back on propaganda
Right. The US psycho-leaders and all their sheep don't even know what 'propaganda' means. They've never seen any, let alone produced it.
However, when hardly anyone in Afghanistan knows anything at all about 9/11 or similar,
That's interesting. So you know exactly what the population of afghanistan (let's assume 25 million) knows? How did you manage that one? You must have a high ranking position in the americunt 'national security' 'industry' eh. And you speak a few varieties of persian I assume?
that is a failure of the world to provide even basic knowledge to everyone.
And now you sound flatly crazy. The 'world' is supposed to provide knowledge? What, you think "world" means "fascist public indoctrination system"? At any rate, I'd bet a couple of cents that people in afhanistan know about your 9/11 false flag attack.
it would seem like an important strategy for both US State and Defense, but I don't see it happening much.
So we have a piece of neocunt shit making world domination plans in the cpunks mailing list. How cute is that? Anyway, enough time wasted.
The US has no need to try to make people like it; that should not generally be a goal. But the world, especially including the capable Western world, both governments and populations, has a responsibility to educate those with abject ignorance, poverty, and knowing nothing but conflict that there are better ways of being, limitless opportunities, and that they could effectively work to modernize and become effective societies and cultures. We need something similar to 'genocide' to identify pathological ignorance, recognize that it leads to the ruin of many lives, and determine how to take action to stop it. There is no need for each culture to be exactly like the West or a particular form of government, but they should understand the options, understand how things can work effectively and why, and be able to incorporate elements in a local way to eventually make it work. We need to decide how hands off we should be in allowing large areas to fumble about without making progress and even regress. The prime directive should only apply to societies that are functioning to a reasonable degree.
An interesting question is whether and how poisoned thinking, i.e. bad memes, are shared, instilled, and propagated to eventually create terrorists and criminals: What should we do to prevent spreading poisonous ideas? Should we be rooting out bad imams, literature, religious leaders? Ideally, our values and culture is an effective answer to these sources, but, just like in the biological world, eventually a successful defense will occur. If you've read The Selfish Gene, you know that truth, rightness, or goodness are not the goals of particular genes or memes (ideas). The only thing that determines success is successful competition and replication. Our Western ideas can successfully compete and replicate against these bad meme sets, but only if they are present. We seem to be in a situation where some of our allies are supporting the teaching of memes that are directly opposed to modern knowledge, including social and political knowledge. What should we do about that?
All of this is crosscutting to security, encryption, communication, publishing, and surveillance. Distrust is healthy, and sometimes prudent. And, if we fail totally as a modern society, we may need it to maintain a modern underground in our new dark ages. In addition to safe commerce and social connection, and balancing government and keeping it healthy, we should even better organize and extend the ways that we help enlighten the ignorant while combating meme cancer.
I imagine that soon we'll have universally available Internet (LEOs for instance), ultra-inexpensive devices (smart phones are down to $50 or less now), and organized, complete, and effective educational material that is somehow available, safe, and effective for everyone. There should be some kind of support systems of various kinds, to the extent possible. We are failing for not working toward these kind of things effectively enough.
sdw