Because I'd prefer to keep convos started on-list, onlist.


On 08/28/2017 08:00 PM, Steven Schear wrote:
I am unconvinced this solution betters all our freedoms.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

H.L. Mencken


Fixing the "scoundrel problem" is an intractable problem I have ZERO time for. Allowing an ideology to be promulgated negating human existence due to some unalterable trait is simply suicide for a society, and as can be seen from history, any society nearby.

Ps. I take issues with Snopes interpolation of the famous AH quote about 'destroying the nucleus' where Hitler also said the Nazi rise was assisted by the violent counter-elements. <http://www.snopes.com/adolf-hitler-smashing-the-nucleus/>

The way to resolve that is for Non-violent Anti-fascist elements to BUTT THE FUCK OUT and practice TACTIC-TOLERANCE. If the media wants to talk to them about it, JUST TELL THE MEDIA YOU ARE THERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING, and desist from ANY discussion of other organizations OR THEIR TACTICS.

There is a large Non-violent Anti-fascist element in the US that did NOT really exist to any degree in Germany (White Rose, etc, were microscopic), and UNLESS tactic tolerance is practiced by all US antifascist elements, no matter which side ascends, they will lose to Fascism.

Rr




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On Aug 28, 2017 7:51 PM, "Razer" <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

Oldest white supremacist site shut down after complaint

By JAY REEVES Associated Press

August 28, 2017 12:03 PM

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The founder of the internet's oldest white
supremacist site said he was trying to get back online Monday after a
company revoked its domain name following complaints that it promotes
hatred and is linked to dozens of murders.

Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated stormfront.org
since 1995, said he didn't receive any warning before Network Solutions
blocked the use of the stormfront.org name on Friday.

Stormfront.org had more than 300,000 registered users, Black said, with
traffic increasing since a violent white nationalist rally in
Charlottesville, Virginia.

Popular with the KKK and neo-Nazi groups, the site included forums where
users sometimes promoted white power events.

"I'm talking to my lawyers, and that's about all I can do right now,"
Black, of West Palm Beach, Florida, said in a telephone interview. "I
can switch to another domain, but it might wind up the same way."

Another major white supremacist website, The Daily Stormer, was
previously shut down by the web-hosting company Go Daddy and then Google
after the violence in Charlottesville.

The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law said the
stormfront.org shutdown followed complaints it filed with Network
Solutions alleging the site promotes not only hate speech, but deadly
violence.

A spokesman for Network Solutions didn't immediately return an email
seeking comment.

Users of Black's website have been implicated in more than 100 killings,
according to the complaint, including 77 people slain by neo-Nazi Anders
Breivik at a camp in Norway in 2011.

"Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the
spike in hate crimes across the country, Stormfront crossed the line of
permissible speech and incited and promoted violence," said a statement
by Kristen Clarke, executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for
Civil Rights Under Law.

Black, speaking about the shutdown during an online radio show Monday,
said his site had rules against promoting violence or any crime.

Black was a state KKK leader under former Klan Imperial Wizard David
Duke, who appeared on the radio show following Black and expressed his
"full support" for Black and the website.

"He was the first major site defending the rights of white people," said
Duke.

Black has been involved in the white supremacy movement since the 1970s
and was convicted in 1981 for his role in a right-wing plot to overthrow
the government of Caribbean island nation of Dominica.

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article169759307.html