I believe Razer was the "staunch" anti-holocaust-denier conspiracy theorist who lambasted even any hint that there might have been substantially less than 6 million Jews gassed to death at Auschwitz during World War 2. That's right, see below. So Razer, are you man enough to reassess? Or you know, provide actual links to "solid" references for your assertion re "every official authority"? Otherwise, you know, such assertions would be considered baseless. Or something... On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:51:40PM +1100, Jim wrote:
What is the difference between a cow and the Jewish holocaust? You can't milk a cow for 70 years. Oh, and a cow is real.
Only the most brainwashed idiots believe in the Holohoax.
Jim
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Video viewer comment: The Dolf "Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must “vanish” before the state of Israel can be formed. “You shall return minus 6 million.” That’s why Tom Segev, an Israeli historian, declared that the “6 million” is an attempt to transform the Holocaust story into state religion. Those six million, according to prophecy, had to disappear in “burning ovens”, which the judicial version of the Holocaust now authenticates. As a matter of fact, Robert B. Goldmann writes: “. . . without the Holocaust, there would be no Jewish State.”
A simple consequence: Given six million Jews gassed at Auschwitz who ended up in the “burning ovens” (the Greek word holocaust means burned offerings), therefore, the prophecies have now been “fulfilled” and Israel can become a “legitimate state”. Regarding the ‘six million’ number you should know the following: In the Hebrew text of the Torah prophesies, one can read “you shall return”. In the text the letter “V” or “VAU” is absent, as Hebrew does not have any numbers; the letter V stands for the number 6. Ben Weintraub, a religious scientist, learned from rabbis that the meaning of the missing letter means the number is ‘6 million’. The prophesy then reads: You will return, but with 6 million less. See Ben Weintraub: “The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism”, Cosmo Publishing, Washington 1995, page 3. The missing 6 million must be so before the Jews can return to the Promised Land. Jahweh sees this as a cleaning of the souls of the sinful people. The Jews must, on the return to the Promised Land, be clean — the cleaning shall be done in burning stokes.
As much as I despise religion, it plays a key role regarding the number in question. I am trying to show where the number 6 million originates, hence why these zealots propagate such a number. It provided the impetus and PR ammunition they needed to make their “gallant return” to the “promised land” at the war’s end establishing a racist/apartheid “Jewish state” called “Israel” in 1948. And this all just happens to fit the previously cited ancient Torah prophecy down to the very letter.
A consideration, of crematories, both old and new, must be made to determine the functionality of the German 'Kremas' at accomplishing their attributed tasks. For example, none of the ovens inspected and examined at all of the locations were designed for multiple corpse incineration. The modern cremation process uses large, high-powered furnaces are fueled by gas or propane which generates fire that reaches a temperature of around 2000°F. Cremating at the optimum temperature, the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 ½ hours...
U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum states: The four gas chambers and crematoria constructed at Auschwitz-Birkenau after 1942 represent Nazi mass murder in its most industrialized form. Each of the four facilities could kill and incinerate more than 1,000 victims per day. Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations."
----- Original Message ----- From: Zenaan Harkness To: Jim Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 9:15 PM Subject: Re: The (Western) Empire: free speech, holocaust denial, jail in 14 countries
Hi Jim, if nothing else, this is just plain fun to listen to - that accent is enjoyable :)
Cheers Zen
----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> ----- Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:14:34 +1100 From: Zenaan Harkness To: Cypherpunks Subject: Re: The (Western) Empire: free speech, holocaust denial, jail in 14 countries
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:03:28PM -0800, Razer wrote:
On 01/08/2017 08:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
What about that holocaust? What was the number of Jews holocausted in all the newspapers after WWI?
Jews fought in the German army in WWI stupid.
Well, not quite holocausted, but in 1915, which was 18 years before Hitler came into govt, precisely 6 million Jews were tortured, starved and incredibly badly mistreated.
Again in 1918. Again later still.
Don't believe it? The Sun (New York), The New York Times, etc, with a cool accent to go with it:
SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
Enjoy :)
That's right, here it is: ----- Forwarded message from Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> ----- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:11:17 -0700 From: Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org List-Id: The Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/options/cypherpunks>, <mailto:cypherpunks-request@lists.cpunks.org?subject=unsubscribe> Subject: Re: MainStream Media <-> Western Regime Media On 09/08/2016 03:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:00:15PM -0700, Sean Lynch wrote:
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking garbage....
While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links? This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....
Do you recall this question being asked twice before?
And do you recall my answer both times?
(reminder hint - it's also in the subject of some of the threads; also notice threading, and the ability to filter both subject lines and threads)
http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html
http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a- russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html
http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html
https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/
"Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious pro-Kremlin sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original content, most of their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources, typically Kremlin media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and Holocaust denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi junta” trope?"
Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a bunch of holocaust denial links.
Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be, and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow a "bad" thing?
And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive conversation?
"Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/
Regarding the number of Jews killed. Every official authority including Russian sources estimate the number of dead between 4-8 million. There's a lot of variance because of HOW it's decided whether the deaths were related to Nazi government action or not. It will NEVER be totally settled, so most just uses the 6 million number. As a more recent example there's dispute over the number of Iraqis killed by the US for similar reasons. International law holds that the invader is responsible for securing the invaded space and is responsible for all deaths including civilian on civilian murder etc. The US, ofc, doesn't buy that, or that they're responsible for the mass fratricide they cause arming ethnic groups against each other for it's own purposes. So the numbers will vary. As a Jew, what I don't want to see are Jews denying there were/are holocausts happening just as tragic every moment we're alive and for some reason the Nazi holocaust was somehow worse than, lets say, what the US did, is doing, to the indigenous people. Many Jews think like that. Ours is the only Holocaust. As my Bessarabian grandpa, chased across the region by the Bishkek pogroms of the late 1800s(?) would have said "Ishkabibble". Yiddish slang for nonsense, and the people pushing that POV on Jews HAVE an agenda, and funding for it from Zionists who hope the international community will let them have their way with Palestinians 'b/c holocaust'. Rr ----- End forwarded message -----