Fragile? https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/thread.html https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013113.html https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013114.html -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Black Ribbon Day & FSFEGoogle Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:00:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Garfield Europe <garfield@tutanota.de> Reply-To: discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu To: Discussion <discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu>, Discussion <discussion@lists.fsfe.org> Somebody did all this while I was sleeping? Great work! -- /The cat formerly known as Garfield/ Securely sent with Tutanota. Get your own encrypted, ad-free mailbox: https://tutanota.com Aug 18, 2020, 08:27 by team@debian.community: On 18/08/2020 09:57, Johann Gross wrote: How can you write such stupid text in the name of the fellowship? I am also member of the fellowship but I do not agree with what you write. Thank you for your feedback. This mailing list welcomes multiple opinions. Can a blog be stupid and true at the same time? We are happy to be stupid if it helps people use the opportunity to understand what TOTALITARIANISM really means. Fact: Fellows were never allowed to nominate for president or attend the annual meeting of FSFE. Is that more like democracy or dictatorship? Even if it is stupid, which point from the blog is /not/ based on fact? - Gemlich letter (1919) and FSFE minutes (2019) both spread defamation - Nazis stole artworks, FSFE are stealing RMS's trademark (see below, "the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from any side") - Nazis and FSFE claim and pretends to speak for all Europe - Nazis and FSFE both cancelled elections - Nazis and FSFE both censored political opponents - Nazis and FSFE both made experiments on people (look at how they brainwashed somebody after 34C3, more details to come) - when Nazis and FSFE can't control somebody, they try to make them completely disappear Nobody says that FSFE == Nazi Party. This is just a feature comparison that is disturbingly accurate. You really have severe mental problems What about volunteers who work for Google(=FSFE) without getting paid? Most people find that behavior odd. https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-nazi-comparisons/ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: FSF asking us to change our name II Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:39 +0200 From: Jonas Oberg <jonas@fsfe.org> To: Bernhard Reiter <bernhard@intevation.de> CC: ga@fsfeurope.org Hi Bernhard, I largely agree with you, but I would like to ask for a clarification on this part: I don't see why. We should ask them to establish the agreed cooperation. If I take an honest look at the framework agreement, I believe it's phrased rather favourable towards the FSF, and a lot of what we would like to see -- such as joint decision making on important issues related to Free Software -- isn't actually in the agreement aside from an intent to develop such a way in some hypothetical future. And I can truly see why the FSF believes we are in violation of the agreement, at least on parts. Our work on the Radio Directive and other policy work I believe is an example of work that according to the agreement should be carried out by the FSF, and not the FSFE. Our work on standards for cloud services is close to what's reserved for the FSF. On the other part, there are a number of activities envisioned from the FSFE which we don't do, or never did: operate the GNU Business Network, develop new free software, translate FSF position papers, recruit more volunteers for the GNU project, resell FSF merchandise, and so on. So the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from any side. What I understand from you is that you think we can push more on this: We intend, in the future, after we have gained experience working together, to develop a system wherein these decisions are approved jointly by a specific list of several major FSFs. Essentially, our message could be that now, after 15 years, we have the experience of working together. It's not been a pleasurable experience, but we now know what the current tensions and activities are, which makes this a good time to now negotiate what such a system for join decision making would look like. Is that close to what you intend? Sincerely, -- Jonas Öberg, Executive Director Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas@fsfe.org Your support enables our work (fsfe.org/join) _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion