On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 07:44:05PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 04:59:51AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/4pw7bz/tor_infiltrated_by_cia_agent/ http://pastebin.com/WPAmqkW8 https://0bin.net/paste/blHWhjY9CRGB8A5X#EArYlEpN1fvqLSclzCivmmIMf3iRMvCYhi++...
Just links.
Meh, just links. THANK YOU!
Tor HQ cannot come back from this with the current crowd. "http://pastebin.com/WPAmqkW8" is devastating. To quote one of the participants at line 227 "22:14 < Yawning> I don't think I can sit in this conversation and remain civil." I can only concur. Americans in power - the insidious arrogance and pride leading to blindness, heartless comparisons between e.g. Iraq war and Mahondas Ghandi, thuggery (implied threat to sue/ take legal action, bullying, distraction/ changing topic, isis "my keyboard does not work" in the middle of this really intense conversation. Just say no more! Anyway, the conversation indicts. Has to be read. grarpamp, thank you again. Both Juan and Putin claim (vehemently) that Tor is a creation and a tool of the NSA, the CIA and the American war machine, and that it cannot be trusted as a consequence of these facts. After reading this conversation, it is impossible to disagree with both Juan and Putin on this point. So I guess this makes both Putin and Juan, "conspiracy factualists", because there certainly ain't no 'theory' to be tested any more... It is not surprising that Russia is wanting to "button the digital hatches" so to speak, given the horrific demoncratic record of the CIA since WWII - the major and very sad problem is that such legislation almost never gets unwound once the battle is over. So there's always another battle.. At line 268: "< mikeperry> also, I am completely unsure what to do about the DaveC1 thing. it seems like it will put a lot of our community at risk and cause fallout. I was excited to have a bridge to the State dept and gov't bureaucrats, but this seems like the cost is too great. forgive me if I appear to otherwise ignore this, really not sure how to handle it" Thought: If the CIA, which funds Tor via the DoD etc, really wanted an advocacy position, then there was no reason to not just keep "DaveC1" on payroll at the CIA and promote Tor. So DaveC1's attempt to get on Tor payroll directly, and be close to the core of Tor, falls apart on multiple grounds as well as this. Here's a classic at 227 "22:25 < ioerror> We [Tor] don't hire war criminals, we don't [can't be accused of] discriminate by not hiring them" (in response to the supposedly "ex-" CIA man, DaveC1, who implied the threat he would sue Tor Inc if they refused to employ him "just because he used to work for the CIA and shot citizens of Iraq" (or rather, terminated his employment it seems, now that they figured out he lied to get employed, saying he was from US State Dept).
From line 310: " 22:30 < mikeperry> I have no doubt that the CIA would find Tor useful, and its funding would not comrpromise us, but as I said then, the optics [of directly employing a (ex) CIA agent] would be so bad that the et improvement to Tor from such funding would not be worth the bad PR 22:31 < ioerror> mikeperry: Funding does compromise us 22:31 < ioerror> I am clear on that now. 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. ... 22:32 < ioerror> When we set the road map and found funders to fund us, it was different 22:32 < ioerror> we haven't done that for a long time 22:32 < ioerror> The money has corrupted us "
Here's a satisfying line 332: "22:35 < DaveC1> Runa: re: the not waiting until I could disclose. Didn't have the financial resources to end one career and wait (unsure how long) to start looking for other work. I tried to be as clear as possible with Roger what my situation was without committing a felony. I obviously failed. " Yep, seems CIA agents find it real hard to -not- commit felonies, even when they are -trying- to not commit felonies. Really, the entire log is a must read. ioerror/ Jacob Applebaum - this man is staunch! No wonder Jacob was taken down.