From: Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> On 11/20/2016 03:05 PM, jim bell wrote:
"socially-permissive republican", that approximates a libertarian. But you could have also said, "an economically-permissive democrat..." "socially-permissive republican" is not the mainstream of the Republican party, True. But they are getting closer to this ideal.
economically-permissive democrat IS in the mainstream in that party NUTS! In any society where some people can be taxed at 50% of their income (add federal, state, local, sales tax, property tax), that is NOT "economically-permissive"!!! Obviously, your idea of "economically-permissive" is CRACKED. Libertarians believe taxation is left. If you don't believe that, you can't be a libertarian. And if you truly don't even understand that libertarians believe taxation is theft, you are utterly clueless. if you consider the regulations made DEFINITELY work in favor of capitalists (employers, financial industry) and not the workers. The capitalists say that's not true. Regulation hurts them. But "Hurts them" means it prevents them from having it all." It's hard to know what you are talking about. "Economically-permissive" doesn't merely mean "permissive only for business people". That would be called "crony-capitalism", not to be confused with "crony socialism", etc.
Ps. You're discussing this with someone who thinks the two parties are really two right wing factions of a one party state with the belief in 'manifest destiny' and 'nationalist exceptionalism' (fascism you know?) as ideology. Yes, and I consider myself an anarchist. But that does not mean that the Republicans and Democrats arent at least distinguishable. They have different faults, for instance.
Further, Fascists lead you to believe people have rights until your rights interfere with their sociopolitical needs. That's a US Libertarian, defined. You will have to be more specific. Which "sociopolitical needs"? Which "rights"?
Hitler needed Euro Jews for slave labor to create his great war machine sociopolitically and economically.
Their rights.
Your last few lines would make sense, except for your "convenient" insertion of "US Libertarian" into the mix.
Libertarians are fine with underpaid labor in the fields because it's the natural order of things that bright minds with bright ideas, like (snigger) app designers and database wonks are paid a fortune and the people who feed them live in refrigerator boxes in fields ... b/c "Free Market". What's your definition of "underpaid"? Libertarians believe in the Free Market. Well, we don't have much of a free market, but at least the concept is understandable. Jim Bell