> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we watched part of start of OA again with nonconsenting person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's charged energy around similarities and differences between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA's experience, our experience, and possibly other experiences we've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong energy around miscasting of these in ways that can create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics inside me or alter my experience of identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes to more effectively destroy people's lives, enslave them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > massively, and amplify and spread any such existing operations. this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is something called an "introject", an alter that behaves like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpatrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things are quite strong here so it's hard to navigate to answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question requests. it basically lands in poor areas :\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i think there's agreement that making a movie is a great thing, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very inspiring and empowering. really tells the right story, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating an ability to do that at all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that something clearly nonfictional would be more empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changeness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 difference focused > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe transcended giving up and is in a different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space in the first episode, which more reminds karl of over a decade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to where experimentee says forced to choose to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only a handful of professionals whose job it is to both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what the OA is experiencing and has experienced and help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her recover, and that is one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But pleasantly the show does continue to show empathic relation, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is rare and hard and takes precise avenues because of traumatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trained silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not karl's only mistake by far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > here it sounds like karl means "any communication at all" by "empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > > relation" whereas "empathic relation" in normal communities means > > > > > > > > > > > > > "shared understanding" > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the show is supposed to build that later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops about larger/other thing, not immediately quoted thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed diverse pensation around trafficking vulnerable people like > > > > > > > > > > > escapees more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in dissociative > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what I'm experiencing here. > > > > > > > > > Concepts: > > > > > > > > > - I think I originally saw the OA prior to my exposure to extreme trauma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remainig concepts might not be helpful unsure, hear could be > > > > > > > > unexpected integration reducing something valued or something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I might have heard that the OA could be related to a true > > > > > > > > > story, I don't really know. > > > > > > > > > - There are a _lot_ of true stories, they are _very_ intense and novel > > > > > > > > > and most have _not_ been made into movies > > > > > > > > > - My mcboss stories are _not_ true > > > > > > > > > - I do have a true story that is _different_ from the mcboss stories > > > > > > > > > - A lot of people have written books/autobiographies although most of > > > > > > > > > these are the less extreme things that are easier to think clearly > > > > > > > > > about and stimulate less serious danger to publish about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorries T_T wishing well > > > > > > > > > > > > ok to try to bring back from dead, i think you were saying that we > > > > > > need to do anything we can to let these tortured-to-death stories > > > > > > live? > > > > > > > > > > > > and ... you can tell there's something here, around me and the mcboss > > > > > > stories and the OA and my brief shoulder-rubbing with survivors, > > > > > > researchers, and therapists ... where this could happen more or > > > > > > better. maybe something almost obvious that hasn't been said yet. > > > > > > > > > > sorry! not me and the mcboss stories. me and the two stories that are > > > > > encrypted into the mcboss storie-- > > > > > > > > you mean about my story, where i am a wealthy industrialist who took > > > > over the world with slavery for personal glory :D > > > > > > > > ... uhh oops > > > > > > no! you mean my real story. you mean i went through something real > > > that i can barely think about, and you are working with part of me > > > exposed to it, and i am writing with this part my story working around > > > my experiences by pretending to be a slave boss? ... or something? > > > > > > you just mean the story i'm sharing. let's pretend i'm sharing a > > > story. i guess i am, i squeeze a lot of stuff in there amidst the > > > misinformation > > > > i'm not being very helpful with that i am guessing. > > > > how about this other view: something is not said about the OA, don't i > > want to say this thing that isn't said? this thing I would know from > > my own experience (maybe similar to others')? > > maybe an idea about my experience (or others') being similar to the OAs?
and i'd encourage that not be misused although now it's isoalted into an email :( because it's not that kind of similarness, that soudns very misleading, it's a different kind of similarness that is real, and then there's a misleading idea that is not real but my introject thinks it might be able to spread harm with
it's true that there are similarities that I would deny or not be aware of. that's quite true.
it's also true that there is something going on as part of my experience, where false experiences are encouraged.
maybe we can start there :}
it's very normal to feel pressured to express false experiences and have parts of you that takeover and lie.
this wasn't quite what was depicted in the show.
but they did depict difficulty and failure in communicating.
OOPS
it's also true that me and people i know have similar struggles to the OA in ways
The content of the OA show reflects how we do not have a norm in our country of acting on these horrors. [i think this is what wanted me to say, it's true]