On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 01:11:46AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:28:25 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.
Jim Bell.
Know why?
He didn't really want an answer.
He wants a reason to be paranoid.
"I left on my system the e-mail he copied the list on." means, I think, that TM didn't delete posts from the/his list archive.
All in all, the clue doesn't give any clue as far as I can see, and JY's subject "so called missing messages" is clearly retarded since the messages ARE missing, for whatever reason.
or perhaps the clue is that people partially deleted their archives to avoid helping the govt prosecute Jim. But actually deleting posts doesn't make too much sense. One could simply give an edited copy to the govt while keeping the complete archive secret....and publish it later.
Because the gov.t would surely never entrap folks they suspect of hiding something gov wants, e.g. by issuing a subpoena and later seizing computer equipment and backups? But more logically, a rational gov that actually wanted the data would obtain a seizure warrant and seize the equipment without forenotice, and thus pre-emptive (and at that moment in time, lawful) deletion of records, would therefore have been the most logical course.
Nutjob
Rr
On 1/4/20 2:03 PM, John Young wrote:
X-Sender: tcmay@mail.got.net Message-Id: <a05010401b6829912c4bc@[207.111.241.18]> In-Reply-To: <200101082217.RAA29708@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> References: <200101082217.RAA29708@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800 To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>, cypherpunks@cyberpass.net From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury, in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the applicant.
The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation." ... Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items in your possession or under your control, including electronically stored or computer records, which:
1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the e-mail he copied the list on.
(Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail to CD-Rs.)
--Tim May