On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:33:22 -0700
"Stephen D. Williams" <sdw@lig.net> wrote:

 In the unlikely
event that we elect Trump, 

	He is unlikely to be elected because he's marginally better
	than that murderours cunt, your boss hitlery.

The US is too
open and too self-examining in public for much false propaganda to
get very far for long.

	Of course. The only propaganda that the US tolerates is 'true'
	propaganda.

I'm not sure that American Sniper is propaganda,

	Of course not. It's not propaganda! It's jew-kristian art.

The US almost completely holds back on propaganda 

	Right. The US psycho-leaders and all their sheep don't even know
	what 'propaganda' means. They've never seen any, let alone
	produced it. 

However, when hardly
anyone in Afghanistan knows anything at all about 9/11 or similar,

	That's interesting. So you know exactly what the population of
	afghanistan (let's assume 25 million) knows? 

Last year, when 1,000 men in the southern Helmand and Kandahar provinces were read a three-paragraph description of the attacks, only 8 percent said they knew about them, according to a survey by the International Council on Security and Development think tank.  The finding suggested a vast majority of men in those provinces - a major area of conflict between coalition forces and the Taliban - didn’t know about the event that precipitated the invasion of their country.

Journalist Adam Pletts went to see for himself. While on patrol with U.S. Marines in Helmand province recently, he showed pictures of the burning World Trade Center towers to Afghan men. In encounter after encounter, villagers and Afghan policemen said they didn’t know about 9/11.

“We don’t know, sir, because we’re farmers. We never heard anything else about the world,” one said, according to a translator with Pletts.

When Pletts showed pictures to several elders in one village, an elder said he thought the city in the picture was Kabul, Afghanistan’s capital.

“(He) clearly had never been to Kabul. Just shows you how isolated they are, even in their own country,” Marine Capt. Zachary Shore said.

The attacks, or at least parts of them, aren’t a mystery to everyone in Helmand and Kandahar. In the 2010 ICSD survey, 68 percent in those provinces said they did recognize pictures of the burning twin towers, even if most of them didn't recognize the three-paragraph description. The Wall Street Journal noted that the events of 9/11 “are known to educated Afghans, and to many residents of big cities,” and described interviews at Kabul University where “students said... they were fully aware of the September 11 attacks.”

But Shore isn’t surprised by the number of rural Afghans who apparently aren’t aware of the event that prompted the United States to attack the Taliban, which was harboring the al Qaeda terror movement. “If I’d just got here, I would have been surprised, but having been here now for six months, I’m not,” the Marine said. “This is pretty much the stone ages, where we are.”

	How did you manage that one? You must have a high ranking
	position in the americunt 'national security' 'industry' eh.
	And you speak a few varieties of persian I assume? 

that is a failure of the world to provide even basic knowledge to
everyone.  

	And now you sound flatly crazy. The 'world' is supposed to
	provide knowledge? What, you think "world" means "fascist
	public indoctrination system"? 

	At any rate, I'd bet a couple of cents that people in
	afhanistan know about your 9/11 false flag attack.

it would seem like an important strategy for both US State and
Defense, but I don't see it happening much.

	So we have a piece of neocunt shit making world domination
	plans in the cpunks mailing list. How cute is that?

	Anyway, enough time wasted. 

The US has no need to try to make people like it; that should not
generally be a goal.  But the world, especially including the capable
Western world, both governments and populations, has a responsibility
to educate those with abject ignorance, poverty, and knowing nothing
but conflict that there are better ways of being, limitless
opportunities, and that they could effectively work to modernize and
become effective societies and cultures.  We need something similar
to 'genocide' to identify pathological ignorance, recognize that it
leads to the ruin of many lives, and determine how to take action to
stop it.  There is no need for each culture to be exactly like the
West or a particular form of government, but they should understand
the options, understand how things can work effectively and why, and
be able to incorporate elements in a local way to eventually make it
work.  We need to decide how hands off we should be in allowing large
areas to fumble about without making progress and even regress.  The
prime directive should only apply to societies that are functioning
to a reasonable degree.

An interesting question is whether and how poisoned thinking, i.e.
bad memes, are shared, instilled, and propagated to eventually create
terrorists and criminals:  What should we do to prevent spreading
poisonous ideas?  Should we be rooting out bad imams, literature,
religious leaders?  Ideally, our values and culture is an effective
answer to these sources, but, just like in the biological world,
eventually a successful defense will occur.  If you've read The
Selfish Gene, you know that truth, rightness, or goodness are not the
goals of particular genes or memes (ideas).  The only thing that
determines success is successful competition and replication.  Our
Western ideas can successfully compete and replicate against these
bad meme sets, but only if they are present.  We seem to be in a
situation where some of our allies are supporting the teaching of
memes that are directly opposed to modern knowledge, including social
and political knowledge.  What should we do about that?

All of this is crosscutting to security, encryption, communication,
publishing, and surveillance.  Distrust is healthy, and sometimes
prudent.  And, if we fail totally as a modern society, we may need it
to maintain a modern underground in our new dark ages.  In addition
to safe commerce and social connection, and balancing government and
keeping it healthy, we should even better organize and extend the
ways that we help enlighten the ignorant while combating meme cancer.

I imagine that soon we'll have universally available Internet (LEOs
for instance), ultra-inexpensive devices (smart phones are down to
$50 or less now), and organized, complete, and effective educational
material that is somehow available, safe, and effective for
everyone.  There should be some kind of support systems of various
kinds, to the extent possible.  We are failing for not working toward
these kind of things effectively enough.

sdw