-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 13 December 2016 22:06:59 GMT, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
On Dec 13, 2016, at 2:49 PM, juan wrote: Oh yes. Moderation is not literally "outright censorship". It is "outright censorship" with a different name. No doubt the change of name makes it wholly different.
A thought experiment: you have a group chat, irc or XMPP or whatever. There are a few dozen people or so in the group (doesn't really matter the number), it's a technical discussion about programming... <whatever> - some collaborative open source project.
By your standards, is it censorship to kick ban a troll(s) that keeps joining the chat, talks totally off topic bullshit, disrupting actual productive conversation/work ?
Also, please don't pretend I'm arguing for moderation on cypherpunks - I'm not, I never have, and I think it's an awful fit for this list.
Wrong thought experiment, a chat is realtime - conversation becomes lost when trolls attack but a mail list allows for emails to hang around long enough to be read and replied to despite any spam that might appear in thw thread. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI7BAEBCgAlHhxvc2h3bSA8b3Nod21Ab3Blbm1haWxib3gub3JnPgUCWFB2TgAK CRAqeAcYSpG1iDnyEACgJrwhvr0J7NZjF7HHmkgTQDk1WkS46xooP/KhzhE0AFG2 4YOyvg1P5cVA5rTX6P4DReHXrSg4+axw3Fxv9NP/zQ5wgg/Ux6ObotQtsWXraf8d Stssgav2wYHNAJQtzpsUiX15/XCagn+NGRnwFP86+gpsKDpw8axy9OkxqZ3QGtq2 tZ0rtqsiLxEw9K9cK0jGPZHNS5uwnnEB5m7KhoZscpHK7mMB1nx/ypDyjYqYTl8s QBJxstvUsnuzauvxEtEAqDTemuaL/bvylnlWW4X9MUmeLvwUn6fFVdZgBws0Gevf Jy1Vt7rbEIQJLNvpBgsO+XzfnVbOks/v/wpzyGYbizFe7kmmwFfIsQGZkpuFxIMc lNSJIkTnsvTg2yCfl4ZT5BWSL/L4tJSGG2XfVmn5TSSbZPBrloQa71Dv6b/dbI0x NfF4E7ZlGvevdXEzMzAL1UoVbW8EHVR65a3oFbRlUf1stE52TaNJ105Vs5vtOI9N 65H2G1lF2tLh9yumDrKmEahSnvOdatr4WZd65C4Vz1/MYNQqbdA9DGEENYBOdLwk hirweH1Ocf5H92Py3+eK/EVvzPZ0kDWB4GjYm0n7qwYNDixic2BdP3aMXUnRntPL GlfqpDxozB6E9kEyvdBMMibekGOHi4SaaOb2xMvDi0uwT4KyBN9NLflHSwx+lg== =2kSl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----