-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/11/2015 02:25 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:54:14 -0500 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
The disadvantages of a world with little or no privacy are counterbalanced by significant advantages that are inherent in a world of "networked everything."
...such as?
Oh, a few little things... Job hunting, marketing one's products and services, comparison shopping, commercial and educational research, distributing propaganda, conventional and radical political organizing, 24/7 access to a library that dwarfs all previous ones in history combined... A highly productive "office worker's desk" that fits in a small tote bag has its uses as well.
The Panopticon is a prison where the guards can watch the inmates but the inmates can not watch the guards. The Internet is a prison where the inmates can watch each other,
Last time I checked, the 'internet' is a bunch of servers controlled by google and the pentagon and I don't happen to have the password(s).
Please, any hacker out there, post the password(s) so I we can watch the guards. Thank you very much.
Just for starters check out CopWatch, referenced in my earlier post. We might also factor in a half dozen or so investigative journalism outlets, document distribution sites like Cryptome and Public Intelligence, one's news aggregators of choice, access to foreign press outlets, various spook watching sites, the mass of raw data contributed by Manning, Snowden et al... The Internet is billions of people, interacting through the world's first many-to-many communications medium. The "Web 2.0" buzzword denotes a real thing: Millions of users as content creators and content promoters, the appearance (as predicted) of swarming behaviors on the networks with social and economic impacts in the real world, smart mobs, pathologically stupid mobs, etc. etc.
Secrets that could once be kept until after their exposure could make no difference are now breaking open before the protected operations are completed:
http://peterswire.net/wp-content/uploads/SHB.cambridge.061014.ppt x
sorry, not bothering with pptx, whatever that is.
Micro$oft's latest and greatest incarnation of PowerPoint. Works in Open / Libre Office, and I can't be bothered to convert the file to ASCII art for security purposes...
The availability of more and better political intelligence formerly concealed from the public is growing exponentially.
Sorry, that's exponential bullshit.
- From this I can only you don't take any interest in politics, or your definition of the word is very different from mine. or that you just don't use the Internet much.
This is one of several drivers of fundamental change in large scale power relationships that is causing a panic among our present rulers. The United States is preparing to put down major civil uprisings inside its own borders,
I'm guessint that the government having full access to all communications will come handy, don't you think?
Yes it will. But will that be a sufficient advantage to compensate for the ones our rulers lost when the Internet became too important to commerce to "just turn it off"? Little Brother is watching Them, and there are enough /clever/ Little Brothers (and Sisters) out there looking to pull Big Brother's pants down that they are becoming a real world problem.
again in full view of interested members of the general public.
I sometimes compare paranoid reactions to the "loss of privacy" in the networked world to mental telepathy: The prospect of someone reading your mind is frightening, until it turns out that your own deeply held secrets are not special or unusual to a telepath who has already "seen it all" and has /far/ worse examples to compare your most heinous and embarrassing inner thoughts and motivations to.
Sorry, that's not the point at all? The problem with people reading your 'private' mail or your mind is that it that it enables them to attack you way more efficiently.
We are not talking about your neighbor reading your mail or your mind(none of his business anyway), we are talking about the sickest nazis on the planet doing it.
Surely you realize that's a bit problematic?
Yes, it gives the opposition a potentially useful tool. As there are FAR too many dissidents of various types wandering around loose for it to be possible to personally persecute more than a tiny fraction of them, the main value of mass surveillance is for aggregate content analysis, social network mapping, and predictive modelling of large scale social behavior. This may be useful for targeting and calibration of propaganda, and advance deployment of physical assets to counter populist political actions. But so far, Big Brother seems to suck at that kind of work... Do the new surveillance capabilities the Internet gives military and police agencies outweigh the educational, intelligence, propaganda and organizational capabilities the Internet has given to radicals of all stripes? That remains to be seen, but I am fairly sure that obsessive attention to "privacy" shifts the balance of power somewhat toward those whose whole job is to maintain the status quo. Of course, any political organizer with any common sense knows well enough when to keep some specific information OFF the networks and out of the hands of uncommitted "hang arounds" at public meetings.
Old Farts have major problems wrapping their heads around the concept that a world where privacy is shrinking fast and expected to nearly disappear is a Good Thing.
How old are you?
Very old. Sometimes I wonder, "when did I get so damned old?" I watched Mercury and Gemini launches from my back yard.
People who grew up with the Interet, not so much.
You want more age-based 'analysis'? The old farts you mentioned have raised generations of clueless young retards.
I didn't start the "age based" comments, but srsly, it doesn't take THAT much effort to find plenty of clever young radicals to play with IRL - if you're OK with exposing your identity as a "political dissident" on teh interwebs. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWa2JtAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LyFoQAK4hO/ko/nRojRE2m/n7ygSh h4kIEr0uMYsrwpDtE5M6OEkvQZZWZtk8jKj+0Oh4kO8GFWC5nvnbUjYor9HwPHhO PlhdIibMzrqYRfRelEduQt9QkYdhezxmwSUVLailzhEju8wVKRJ4rF9rN4qhL77T k5cqfrnfM2ILQesi/Ey8O7+vNjZIXXjLuERgn0Z/+aGgsA8VdIupx5T+whD6YtiD 2Fm62LCG7H4xdbivtuvYCa5yG2kNRU+zjjY5wMxdY2gMEBObD6KbA7YST3DxFdFi bqFv5LpjUQYitQ7Bq64ts4j5Hwg5+F2ZnGQt9D4XkUSPIM0Am1W/4jj1bqoBQxv2 p1tI+T1XLlPkIla4BIL7GRishlLzAxQGzkezeWdjfC3Z76yo0D1EZkabAy8x0WJv /g7scAynmMKD+zGV0kXyhv9nXmajReYe6cwEPIa8ZMnN7cqQiMLlt7tJHBLwG3pg A/d5xrJqhldAayjkxTx1F9HMLqapYFEVEPPH0gs308iUBTP2iWBqxO7LSByCbBU7 N+CBL3UKSl84G3XcQ4hyDqEZxD5if1Yo1y5jjmodF/NRhwuahf3AqhnIA87Qn+B/ o4Fne1yls+uNhM5rdtBHZOwIJaLuAfXE6iDF7X2q7cdTE+uVRfkGgTROTGrI247z fi4+ZbBhgdGMLSYzC/Bl =9n9b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----