Piece of trivia: The "Geographic pole" actually wanders a bit, probably mostly due to displacements of the mass of oceans and the atmosphere.I think it's on the order of about 100 meters or so. Presumably, this has to be accounted for in the calculations used by GPS receivers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_polar_wander This doesn't have anything to do with the movement of the magnetic poles, BTW. Jim Bell On Saturday, May 12, 2018, 8:37:43 AM PDT, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote: is there place on earth where the sun doesn't rise from near east? counterexample will be near the poles. there are two kinds of poles: geographic pole and magnetic pole. it appears to depend how they are placed: the middle of the line between them is a good candidate -- in this case exchanging them will swap directions.