I sent this reply personally to Punk but am returning the thread to the list per Zenaan's request elsewhere. Please express a differing opinion from Zenaan's if you have one.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:34:48 -0400
Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
> But why are you dissing Jim's project when there are already surveillance
> cameras everywhere, and cops are beating up journalists as we email?
because his 'project' will change nothing and it's just propaganda to make 'technology' look good. You can record cops with already existing retardphones. It changes nothing.
Have you tried this? The information is usually lost. The cop orders you to erase it, or even destroys the phone; I emailed myself some recordings once and they disappeared from my email. The current activism appears to be working better because people throughout american culture are resisting those things, and there are too many events for authorities to handle.
and Jim has been spamming the list with his techno bullshit
It sounds like you're really frustrated and discouraged around the presence of technological business support, without overt acknowledgement and consideration of all the harm it causes. I've been handling that too, and realizing others hold it is cause for me to think on it.
Cecilia told me Jim has been through years of prison for resisting abuse of power by authorities. Some of us want to sousveil the authorities, and we are likely to be misled in some ways because those authorities have been surveiling and influencing us for years. In such a situation those confining you can try to produce conflict between you and others, to prevent collaboration or harm you. It is hard to learn how we might be wrong when so heavily criticized.
It seems dangerous to me to associate our opinions of what people did with the people who did those things. Such a habit could easily disrupt a community exposed to false rumors.