Dnia piątek, 2 października 2015 09:16:53 Razer pisze:
On 10/02/2015 03:56 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia czwartek, 1 października 2015 08:03:59 Razer pisze:
On 10/01/2015 12:36 AM, Juan wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:45:26 +0100
oshwm <oshwm@openmailbox.org> wrote:
" All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed.">>
snowden can't be THAT stupid...?
He believe in the 'system'.
RR
“Any movement that seeks social justice through political involvement and attempting to hold public officials democratically accountable is doomed to failure. The only real way to achieve social justice is by bypassing the state, treating it as irrelevant, and building the kind of society we want without the government’s permission.”
Yo dawg, I herd yo don't liek the state, so yo should build one of your own for others not to liek.
So by extension if I'm in a 'stateless' state everyone will luv me?
My point was, rather, that ultimately this: "bypassing the state (...) and building the kind of society we want without the government's permission" ...often ends up being this: "bypassing the *current* state (...) and building the kind of society we want without the *current* governments' permission, so that we can become the government that others need permission of" One way or the other we end up with a "state" or some other state-like organisation. There will be rulers, and there will be ruled. But we can either choose to take what we can from what seems to be a set of good ideas (separation of powers, checks and balances, etc) and build upon them or try implementing them in a more functional way, or... go the "ignore it altogether" route, end up reinventing the wheel, and arriving at a not-all- that-functional variation of it. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147