On 2/6/15, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
Agreed, but who wants to gamble with the next 20-35 years of their life being thrown away in some hellish sensory deprivation solitary confinement torture chamber to prove the point?
Ignoring reasonably good possiblity of constitutionality appeal vacating it, that's not the penalty for publishing a NSL/warrant received.
Let the gubmint further undermine whatever legitimacy they have left by inventing tortured legal arguments as to why people must be compelled under threat of violence to speak lies
While exposing their hand, ultimately this doesn't excercise your rights,
Double ACK. It's a funny thing about rights - the government, police, courts, schools etc, can not *exercise* my rights for me. It is only I who can exercise -my- rights. That's the very nature of exercising one's rights.
or get them back. At least not until revolution (which is something to be avoided).
Ie. the point where so many rights 'proclaimers' yet 'fail-to-exercise-ers' have resulted in such fear, oppression and finally tyranny, that it is too late to rescue the 'reasonable system' from the bad people who co-opted it, without said revolution.
speak ... (ironically by not speaking)
Well the mind is the great trickster so am certain that lying 'for the courts' will be somehow twisted by someone into 'lying for God' is a good thing. Humans will in general continue to do nothing rather than live a right with any risk to even a little bit of personal liberty, and it looks like we shall soon see whether humans will in general lie for the government, in denial of self and fellow human's' rights, but wait there's more of course, with Neighbourhood Watch, Crime Watch and now "dob in a neighbour (sorry, 'suspicious activity')" programs, we are but a small step away from "if you fail to dob in your neighbour, -you- will be punished'. And the decent of human shall be complete. Not only the police and military up-holding the tyranny of my state (government), but every fucking so-called 'human' out there (or most of them anyway). But anyway who wants to have freedom for all those evil plant cultivators, evil self medicator mind journey trippers, evil gun users, evil home building experimenters, evil home educators, evil reiligious believers and evil thought thinkers? Seth you are right, very few will ever lift a finger for their own human rights, let alone for the rights of others, since they -do- see it as a gamble of personal liberty. So I say that those: - who fail to remain silent when 'ordered' to tell a lie, - who fail to speak when 'ordered' to hide the truth, - who fail to take action and live a right when human freedom is challenged, - who fail to take ANY gamble FOR our human rights and dignity by LIVING our human rights, - and finally complain about "things getting worse" and, oh heaven forbid we might get a revolution, May they be micro-chipped into pervasive monitoring and compliance, taxed of all their wealth and further indebted into total slavery!!! For those of us who prize freedom so greatly, death is a better option. Yet for such slaves as described above, they would cling to their "right to be in slavery". I can hear it now "Stop Right There - I get TWO meals of rice and sugar a day, but all my friends only get one, that's why I'm the slave manager and with shoes instead of bare feet - I like my golden bird cage so don't you dare suggest I rock the boat! I'm raising my child to be a manager too, so we've got a FUTURE to look forward to! Now fuck off with all your freedom lies you filthy commie gun-totin plant-growin devil-worshipn fag! You aint even got a mico chip!!!" <the small crowd gasps in shock> "But Jim, I was doin this for you my son - I promised your ma when she died!" <the small crowd gasps in total shock>
Nor should you have to develop an entire matrix of canaries such that if even one goes silent you know the full text of what occured.
Just speak already, it's not hard.
Pick a path responses: a) <chuckles very sadly>Oh grarpamp, our sweetly naive grarpamp. If only it were so. You must remember this *is* -humans- we are talking about. b) I agree that to speak is not hard, yet to face one's fear of deprivation of a little personal liberty, even for a night or two in the clink, is far more than most so-called "humans" are capable of. History has born this out just occasionally I might add... c) grarpamp, I agree, just speak the truth judiciously, stand for your rights, and face your fear. There's no more to it than that, yet in the fullness of the experience of the living of ones rights and freedoms, there can arise within oneself a little confront - which is quite the personal growth experience for those who are into that sort of thing. And those who are not, you mofos fail to be worthy of the name "human"! Bottoms up!
Unlike the odds with that, if you don't, your next 20-35 years will definitely be nothing but an ever growing set of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
I do hope that enough humans speak freely, travel freely, grow some of those plants "man" has dominion over (to use a phrase at the foundation of some of our legal systems). It would be nice. Zenaan