On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 06:08:48PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:51:37 PM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote:
'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America
I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call illegal (re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced; however, dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the rest of us, especially given that they often do not pay the appropriate amount of taxes back into the system compared to someone here legally.
I agree that there are not always sharp demarcation lines between victimless-crimes and crimes with a victim. Further, there are crimes with a few clear victims (murder, assault, robbery) and crimes where the victimization is diffuse (counterfeiting, which arguably victimizes anybody using a currency).
the distinction is pretty sharp. Either there's a victim or not.
Thank you.
In the case of theft, murder and counterfeiting all have victims. Counterfeiting is just a more sophisticated version of theft.
conterfeiting, aka fiat banking
crossing the imaginy boudaries of the americunt nazi state or any other state is not a crime by any sane, let alone by any libertarian standard.
The context of this that "right wingers" tend to miss is the other pieces of the anarchist puzzle - actual libertarian rights to self defence, association and contract, and the presumed outcomes these fundaments of anarchism would generate. In a world of chaotic descent, is "more government" the solution? Well for many it's the only solution they know, and there's few examples of "true" libertarian/ anarchist societies we can point at.