On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 08:03:13PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 07/14/2018 03:25 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:53:55 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
OK, maybe just poor reading comprehension, plus a tendency to fling shit ;) If you reread what I posted, in context -- and actually check out the novels that I cited -- you'll see that I explicitly _did not_ argue "that political problems can be 'solved' by running away". And in fact, that the same political problems show up in virtualities. Worse, even.
_Accelerando_ and the "Flower Prince" trilogy both explore virtual dystopias. _Accelerando_ is especially dark. There's lots of running away in _Diaspora_, through multiple levels of reality, but in the end it's painted as pointless.
Oh, OK. I'll check those out then =)
As I recall, _Accelerando_ is unremittingly dark. Although one could say that the "Flower Prince" trilogy has a happy ending for some, everyone and everything else gets unhappened. It's a fun read, though.
Yeah, the brief "utopia" on Mars gets utterly destroyed (i think the whole planet gets destroyed), there is a war between like 7 people who control planet-sized constructs made of "computronium", all of them trying to accomplish the "Great Common Task" (which is uploading all sentient beings, with or without their consent as I recall), and all sorts of other dark shit in Hannu's stuff. Same with the Alistair Reynolds books I recommended - they are *not* utopian visions of the future, at all.
I admit that _The Last Trumpet Project_ does feature hiding in virtuality, but eventually they come back to kill all the assholes.
I remember you linked a novel a while back in which the good guys beat the statists by developing better 'technology', which is of course wishful thinking and laughable nonsense. I did read like 3/4 of it and it was entertaining, but really naive. I think it might have been that same trumpet project?
Yeah, that was probably it. In practice, statists will have the best technology. Because they have the most resources.
Anyway, I assumed that the other stuff you linked now was the same sort of utopian stuff. My mistake and I apologize.
I'm not really into utopian. Dystopian is more fun. If you enjoy fantasy, I highly recommend Joe Abercrombie's "The First Law" trilogy. It's rather a satire on "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. Also Matthew Stover's "Caine" series. Caine basically channels Aleister Crowley ;)
ps: I wasnt expecting any answer from you. You should be ignoring me.
Thanks for the advice :)
my pleasure
De nada :)
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