On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:

its religious thought to even utilize the word 'evil' let alone think in those terms and religious thought is a capitalist parasite >>> read nietzsche for fuck sake he wrote in the 1800's

That's my point, glad we agree.

 

one of my arguments is that it is structurally unsound to rely on one method >>> especially if built by your enemy - i look to nature as other thinkers do/have and i think about buckminster fuller - his analysis of panther dna making them vulnerable to extinction because it is all so/too similar ... in any given situation i do not think in terms of one solution ... i have used this analogy before ... sperm: there are lots of them in one load ... they all race to get to the egg sure but, they actually help each other to penetrate - they dont care who gets in as long as one of them transforms the egg into a being (i mean i cant really speak for sperms in general but it has been analysed like this)... thats their job ...they even have been seen to help each other non-competative like :: this is the kind of structures we need moreso not monolithic structures that blind us ... its really a geometry problem for me... math

OK, 'yes' monoculture is threatening and certain practices provide clear 'intelligence signals'. Unrestrained 'lateral thinking,' while intellectually stimulating and interesting, does not always map to fact. There's a step, where you rigorously research whether your theories are correct.

but also it is all ethical to me as well : if my family was murdered by a fucker i wouldnt go and use that fuckers infrastructure cause they made it for me to use and sent some other fuckers around the globe selling it cause like the fucker murdered my family i wont support them in any way ever ....why would i talk myself into supporting the murderer of my family when i could think about, invent or utilize other methods - its just really not logical   

This is an emotional argument, not a logical one. To continue the appeal to emotion, isn't it vaguely poetic? Using alternative methods are fine, but the existence of alternatives does not justify demonizing other approaches.

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Travis Biehn <tbiehn@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, just get a new DHCP lease - rock solid.

This is actually pretty easy; First read the protocol spec then read the code.

If there is a backdoor or vulnerability, please let everyone know.

If you can do away with evils like centralized directory servers while retaining sybill resistance please publish your ideas.

If your arguments are that the project is intrinsically evil, by virtue of the authors being tainted with 'reptilian money' - that's not really a technically robust.

-Travis

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015, 9:24 AM Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:

i think there could be solutions utilized like easily shifting the ip address of comp and router yourself in your own little hut > 'ghost' it but not thru others .... pretty fucking simple i know but maybe effective in a really different way than having the fake government of the US build something and use people that are activists against them to make it work also i think the infrastructure is too bulky 

i like to think about satelites (and thats all i will say about that) - i dont know i would have to have a real think about solutions it is very important to think about it and not just the problem for sure but i dont think the methodology of tor is a solution i think it is a stoppage point that people are not seeing beyond ... people dont think it has been penetrated and i have no proof of that but maybe that isnt the main problem for me ... structurally speaking it is a disaster ... the masses being handed a tool in order to subvert the government??? as they say you cant make this shit up

i know that when i was in syria i could get a fucking video call in the desert where there was nothing ... this was syria not a rich country per say like at all so i think the choking of the communication system is super in play ... if others dont think thats a problem then they need to educate themselves ... do people that live in the US on this list even know that the infrastructure of fiber optics that underlies the communications may not even be utilized in their city and that the reason it is not used is because the communication companies bought a contract with there city that freezes it all up? please look into the chatanooga model if you dont know about this 'freemarket' bullshit>>>> also fyi iraq had video calls nationwide in 2000 or even before ... now i am not sure what tech they were using i think radiowaves and shooting the signal over land that way but it all points to a tremendous shut down of functionality  .... not that it was probably all that healthy for people but...

sure we can write each other little words on this frame of communications but see what happens when attempting to shift in a large way ... like when they printed the 3d gun... people had to git fr USA & like when barrett made project pm and this is a major reason i think there should be as many solutions as possible not just one - not as easy for gov/corp to take them out    

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 22:36:00 -0700
coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/3/15, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > http://www.onion-router.net/History.html
> > 1995:
> > Initial work on Onion Routing begins, funded by ONR.
>
> back in this day, fully saturated ISDN pairs made for great zero
> knowledge overlays, too.
>
> the real question is, what do you propose to do better?


        what I was getting at is that, if I'm not  mistaken, syverson
        and co. claim to have 'invented' 'onion routing'

        but they didn't come up with the ideas and didn't even come up
        with the name apparently


>
>
> if TCP Tor is just a jump toward datagram traffic analysis resistant
> overlays, how little it matters what origins for this open source",
> distributed, public infrastructure?
>

        do you consider your governemnt to be a 'repressive regime'
        coderman?

        does tor protect people from your goverment's attacks?

        do you think tor helps the US government in any way?


        do you think it's 'hypotetically' acceptable to murder say a 100
        people so that 1 million  people can 'anonymously' browse
        their newspaper or favorite sports website?

> cooperation is the future. learn to do it least badly :P
>
>
> best regards,

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