On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:39:55 -0700 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/06/2015 03:19 PM, rysiek wrote:
Not saying any of these (CIA in Chechnya, FSB in Iraq or Afghanistan, etc)
George Soros (for instance), NOT CIA. That's how you get true plausible deniability.
Oh come on. Soros is a humanist, a 'libertarian', a champion of the 'free' 'regulated' market and the 'open' society. He would never do evil. Just like google and goldman sachs.
The Russians have no person like that. They use their foreign policy channels. Anyone as wealthy as Soros in Russia (if there is such a person) is a Kleptocrat and generally want to destroy the Russian
Example of what Porter Goss meant:
Right now the US is making claims via the Daily Beast that the Russians bombed a hospital in al-Nusra/ISIS HQ Idlib Syria.
The US government is making NO CLAIM AT ALL. They're leaving it to the Western NGO backed hospital's staff and a guy whose CV is:
"Oubai Shahbandar is a Syrian-American, former Department of Defense official, and currently serves as a Strategic Communications Advisor to the Syrian Coalition. With over seven years of experience working for the Department of Defense as a strategic analyst and foreign affairs specialist, Mr. Shahbandar has an extensive and diverse background in developing national security policy throughout the Middle East and South Asia. He served a one-year tour in Iraq from 2007 to 2008 during General Petraeus' surge as a strategic analyst supporting counterinsurgency operations and the U.S. military's outreach to the Sons of Iraq program."
You know what the "Sons of Iraq program" was rysiek?
It was the publicly announced US attempt in Iraq to get al-Qaeda affiliated Sunnis to work as militias for the government, paid for by the US. The 'paymasters' were a little slow so most of them, much like the ISIS fighters in Idlib, of whom some most likely are those former 'sons', 'defected to al-Qaeda, and the guy mentioned above is a LONG TERM "Handler" for those folks as propaganda intermediary for the "Syrian Coalition", western governments, working for a PRIVATE NGO with no direct affiliation anymore to the CIA or Pentagon.
RR
PS. George Soros is only 4 degrees separated from al-Qaeda.
He funds the "White Helmets" in Syria, the "Free Syrian Army's" fighter(1) SAR team that OCCASIONALLY rescues a civilian. Those FSA fighters defect to al-Nusra. 70 just did so and stated that was their intent from the git (2). al-Nusra swears allegiance to ISIS (3), and ISIS was formerly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq.(4)
All the above has happened without one US dollar going through government channels (except the publicly known funding to train the defecting fighters).