On 2/19/16, Tamzen Cannoy <tamzen@cannoy.org> wrote:
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/19/apple-government-changed-apple-id-passwo...
" The executives said the company had been in regular discussions with the government since early January, and that it proposed four different ways to recover the information the government is interested in without building a back door. Apple sent engineers to try that method, the executives said " You don't want your secure hardware provider voluntarily "discussing" "proposing" "recovering" "sending" or "trying" anything in the "interests" of, or with, your adversary. If there was no court order for this... this is very troubling... never talk to the <adversary>, only to your client. Nor do you want your secure hardware provider to be providing you with unverifiable, therefore quite possibly, junk. You need open fabs producing open hardware. Till then the only proof you have is that some adversaries court case failed in its attack or that everyone is still standing. Neither of which are sufficiently complete proofs positive.