On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.
I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll.
You said:
This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
I interpreted that as: CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning. Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
Rr
sdw
VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
"Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless.
You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
sdw
On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.
On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
Rr
There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.
http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
sdw