On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 02:01 -0800, shelley@misanthropia.info wrote:
Thank you for posting this, Eugen. I would have missed this exchange.
"Fuck You" is nice. Service and a court date is a lot nicer.
My sentiments, exactly. Fuck these guys, indeed.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
https://plus.google.com/+MikeHearn/posts/LW1DXJ2BK8k
Mike Hearn Shared publicly - Yesterday 10:30 AM #NSA
The packet capture shown in these new NSA slides shows internal database replication traffic for the anti-hacking system I worked on for over two years. Specifically, it shows a database recording a user login as part of this system:
http://googleblog.blogspot.ch/2013/02/an-update-on-our-war-against-account.h...
Recently +Brandon Downey , a colleague of mine on the Google security team, said (after the usual disclaimers about being personal opinions and not speaking for the firm which I repeat here) - "fuck these guys":
https://plus.google.com/108799184931623330498/posts/SfYy8xbDWGG
I now join him in issuing a giant Fuck You to the people who made these slides. I am not American, I am a Brit, but it's no different - GCHQ turns out to be even worse than the NSA.
We designed this system to keep criminals out . There's no ambiguity here. The warrant system with skeptical judges, paths for appeal, and rules of evidence was built from centuries of hard won experience. When it works, it represents as good a balance as we've got between the need to restrain the state and the need to keep crime in check. Bypassing that system is illegal for a good reason .
Unfortunately we live in a world where all too often, laws are for the little people. Nobody at GCHQ or the NSA will ever stand before a judge and answer for this industrial-scale subversion of the judicial process. In the absence of working law enforcement, we therefore do what internet engineers have always done - build more secure software. The traffic shown in the slides below is now all encrypted and the work the NSA/GCHQ staff did on understanding it, ruined.
Thank you Edward Snowden. For me personally, this is the most interesting revelation all summer.
How we know the NSA had access to internal Google and Yahoo cloud data http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/04/how-we-know-the...
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Fuck'em n leave a note or millions of them. #snowdenstyle