On 08/07/2018 06:14 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think should be used for coordinating 'criminal' activity, instead of streaming super full SHD video for retards?
That's the question.
And the answer is : some sort of 'high latency' mixing network. And interestingly enough such a network doesn't seem to exist, although it seems to me it would require less resources than something like tor. And nobody seems to be worried about having or not having that kind of network, which strikes me as odd...
Well, as I'm sure you know, high-latency mix networks -- Cypherpunk and Mixmaster remailers.[0] -- predate Tor. That's how I used the original cypherpunks list, way back when. A few years ago, I played with them a little. I got QuickSilver Lite running in Wine.[1] Basically, all email goes to alt.anonymous.messages, you download everything, and then your client finds stuff that you can decrypt. Some resources were (are?) available as .onion services. I probably have notes somewhere, if you're interested. I'm not sure why that all died. It _was_ bloody complicated, even with QuickSilver Lite. Also very slow. And I can't imagine how it could have scaled. Although I suppose that some of the binary newsgroups did get pretty fucking huge. But anyway, overhead is a key problem with mix networks. Development of the Web was part of it, I'm sure. Although I recall seeing a crude hack that pulled stuff from alt.anonymous.messages, and massaged it into a web page.
I guess that you say that there is none, and we should all just organize our local cells.
What I was trying to say is that, if the use case is 'criminal activity', then using a 'low latency' network like tor which provides centralized 'hidden' services is a not a good idea. It's more like a recipe for disaster.
Well, if you exclude low-latency networks, you're pretty much left with nothing to use. But even so, people who want anonymity, some of them doing illegal stuff, _will_ end up using Tor. So why not help them use it more safely? 0) https://remailer.paranoici.org/clist.html 1) https://www.quicksilvermail.net/qslite/