On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:21 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:06:59 -0500 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
On Dec 13, 2016, at 2:49 PM, juan wrote: Oh yes. Moderation is not literally "outright censorship". It is "outright censorship" with a different name. No doubt the change of name makes it wholly different.
A thought experiment: you have a group chat, irc or XMPP or whatever. There are a few dozen people or so in the group (doesn't really matter the number), it's a technical discussion about programming... <whatever> - some collaborative open source project.
By your standards, is it censorship to kick ban a troll(s)
Yes it is. By the way, it's quite clear that the term troll can be used to mean anything. Just look at arch-trolls like rayzer or quinn whining about trolls.
And at the 'technical' level
1) Last time I checked IRC had an /ignore nick command.
2) I would have thought people in this list would be searching for decentralized, censorship-resistent systems, not the opposite in which an 'admin' has somehow gotten divine powers and rights.
I don't support censorship, all your claims to the contrary ;) At the same time, I don't support people telling me how I can configure my own software on my own hardware whose network traffic I pay for. For instance, I don't consider locking my mail server down so it's not an open relay to be censorship (some people do - see toad.com). Trying to enforce software configurations I'm not interested in, on my shit, under any pretense, is fascism.
that keeps joining the chat, talks totally off topic bullshit, disrupting actual productive conversation/work ?
Also, please don't pretend I'm arguing for moderation on cypherpunks
I don't pretend anything. It seems clear that you are arguing for censorship *in general*. You can add the proviso that you don't want censorship in this list which is fine and a start, but you are still arguing for censorship. Or analyzing censorship by means of thought experients =P
- I'm not, I never have, and I think it's an awful fit for this list.
It is an awful fit for any communication medium.