On 9/11/15, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia piątek, 11 września 2015 01:27:34 Zenaan Harkness pisze:
On 9/11/15, Nathan wrote:
WTF? I've read this *twice* and I *still* don't get it..... Is this an argument against multiculturalism?
That's not the question - the question is, does each individual human of a nation have the right to protect their current, existing culture?
Of course I can defend my culture. But there are two crucial questions here: - from what can I defend my culture; - with what means can I defend my culture.
Can I defend my culture verbally from somebody talking shit about it? Sure. Can I defend my culture with force from an armed aggressor? Sure.
Can I "defend my culture" from people who had to leave their homes due to war? How would I even "defend my culture" in such a scenario? Deport them all for certain death? Imprison them?..
Asking the "can one defend their culture" question without asking the other two is really underhanded and disingenuous.
Or simply seeking the insights of your now asked two questions as above and struggling (perhaps ironically) to come to such insights by myself - no underhanded or disingenuous intention need be ascribed. The thoughtful part of your reply is really appreciated. Thank you for your patience going forward. I consider the first ground to be that of individual/ collective right. Even getting beyond this first ground is a challenge for many - you're the first person in my (humble, inadequate, deficient...) attempts over the last year or two, who actually got past "do we have the right". Your next two questions are not easy. I have no immediate answer. A temporary brain dump of things which may arise and perhaps ought be contemplated to arrive at any sane answer to your last two questions: - reciprocal legislation on a per-country basis - if we can't build churches in your country, you can't build mosques in ours; if we can't buy property in yours, you can't buy in ours - "tipping points" for 'cultural crisis' due to immigration by refugees or otherwise - Christians being executed in various countries today - the Christian crusades of 100s years ago - are we humans beyond barbarians to any real extent - what about those of us in golden middle-class cages, are we barbarians in disguise - to what extent is it our "western" governments (and or military industrial companies) causing the turmoil/ wars from which the genuine refugees flee from - should we citizens suffer the fallout from the evil activities of our governments and military industrial companies bombing brown people and or poor people - is it possible to stop our governments/ companies from doing so - is maintenance of local/ per-country cultural homogeneity worth pursuing at all, or is that somehow fundamentally at odds with the majority of humans on the planet being "below the poverty line" and therefore with their "right to a share" of my (relatively) wealthy middle class existence (even for example for those on government assistance/ welfare) I feel as though we are being sold out by our western governments driven by the military industrial companies, and that we are being caused to suffer the consequences of this. And I feel powerless to stop this evil, to stop the (unlawful, but hey) killing of people on an industrial scale. I feel that there is so much profit from war, that there is intention to war and for war, and that this is out of control. Courtesy the internet we know this turmoil has been perpetrated continuously since WWII by USAGov (CIA) and its "allies", lackies, lapdogs - coup after coup, regime change after regime change. There's so much that's not ok by me and I struggle to find clear and simple foundations which can approach shared consensus understanding and agreement on what is wrong, let alone how if at all possible to fix it. Thanks for suffering my totally inadequate and rambling attempts at something resembling communication, but I am sincere in my desire for a better world - for everyone in it. Zenaan