On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 08:40:01PM -0400, Karl wrote:
On 10/15/20, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 09:04:50AM +1000, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
On 2020-10-16 05:43, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:40:35 -0400 Robert Hettinga <hettinga@gmail.com> wrote:
Part 2. Two more to go...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=n4qonsvSgAg&app=desktop
So speaking of NSA shills, that's exactly the sort of thing I would expect from one. The promotin of the idea that 'crypto' is a weapon against tyranny when in practice it serves the tyrants a lot more than it serves their victims.
Cryptography is what allows big brother to control all of their big brother backdoored hardware, for instance.
Crypto is a munition. You want to deny us weapons, but do not want the government denied weapons.
I have to disagree, and the noise of Juan's anger is perhaps what makes it sometimes difficult to hear him, but it seems his position is that "all tech that gets created, gets used -more- by the fascist MIC regime dominating us all" and the obvious conclusion from this apparently correct observation is "so why the hell would you create more, or promote, any such tech?"
This argument (if I've paraphrased Juan correctly) is quite compelling - it's not obviously wrong.
So we are presented with a dilemma - you could say Juan takes a strong position on one side of that dilemma, but that's not the problem here (in fact, Juan's strong position helps us to see more clearly, the very dilemma we are faced with).
The problem is not Juan's position on this dilemma, the problem is in fact the dilemma itself.
The video makes it pretty clear that cypherpunks were holding the role of addressing that dilemma, right inside technology.
s/role/intention/ Cypherpunks are supposed to hold the -intention- to benefit the lower downs/ the people/ human rights, rather than govcorp. Juan's (largely correct) point is that the pudding has proved something close to the opposite of that intention - total take surveillance, zero privacy, owelling fascism racing down the pipeline to keep us all in line (face/retina scanning, social credit, no travel/train tickets except you have the chip of the beast and a "sufficiently positive" social credit score, for just a few examples...)