This list degenerated into a shitshow for paranoid poseurs like Juan. Un-subbing. On 6/9/2016 5:28 AM, juan wrote:
Steve Kinney 'asserted' :
"TOR is a two edged sword that can also be used against the National Interest, so the NSA thinks TOR stinks."
Steve Kinney is a charlatan who hasn't done basic research about tor and simply parrots bullshit he got from the 'main stream media'
When informed about basic research showing tor's flaws Steve Kinney blantantly ignores it, because he is an intellectual fraud.
And then he writes baseless bullshit like the stuff below.
On 06/07/2016 06:59 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:51:25 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 06/07/2016 04:09 PM, juan wrote:
>> And of course, TOR can be up to 100% effective against >> adversaries who are /not/ top tier signals intelligence >> services. > > Which is not the point, motherfucker.
So in other words, I'm right, you're wrong, and you know it
What am I wrong about, exactly? You can re-read my previous messages and notice all the stuff I said and you ignored.
Especially my first message explaining why tor is a scam.
The big error I see is your apparent belief that TOR should be able to do impossible things, and interpreting its failure to do so as evidence of malicious intent by its sponsors and developers.
Overly enthusiastic fans of tools like TOR promise "airtight security," because they believe that airtight security is possible. Overly enthusiastic critics of TOR and similar tools demand the same impossible performance, and consider anything less to be a betrayal of public trust.
One of the most effective ways to defeat a grass roots political adversary is to build and unleash opposing camps of True Believers to fight for and against a simplistic, misrepresented version of whatever the "unwelcome" advocates are trying to accomplish. What makes this approach so effective is that people will do it ALL BY THEMSELVES in many instances; guiding them to do it harder, faster and better is no challenge at all if one has a budget for that.
I don't imagine that every outspoken critic of my little ideas is a paid enemy agent; I prefer a more evidence based brand of paranoia. To me, the tempest in TOR's teacup looks like a perfectly natural phenomenon, driven by false hope vs. harsh reality problems. Everyone has a right to petition the Universe for redress of grievances against the laws of physics; this can even be productive, as and when it leads to an improved understanding of those laws.
:o)