Related to Patrice's observation that the OPL doesn't actually exist yet, that's actually the reason they apply the delay to MDR requests, saying that they need the 6 years to get everything sorted and catalogued and figure out what they're going to do with the info. So it's not just them saying "not gonna do it" and sitting around; they have a legitimate logistics argument to support it. NARA IG isn't going to do anything because they're not actually breaking any rules, and Congress, well, Congress is a bit of a wild card when it comes to transparency, especially lately. Ask for reform and you might get it, and it might be worse than it already is.
Honestly, if you want to make a case about this to Congress/IG/etc., you're best off waiting a little while to remove their ability to say "we're still building it and hiring people and couldn't possibly do anything." Put another way, while you might find a sympathetic ear in a couple years, you're definitely not going to find one now, and drawing attention to this now when their argument is strongest may hurt your ability to make it later when circumstances are more favorable to you. That's just my personal opinion, though, and others may disagree.
On 6/29/2017 4:24 PM, Rachael wrote:
Yes, I see necessity to prevent creating bad case law. What are the options to put pressure on NARA besides the courts?
Complaint to NARA OIG and then OIG council? Complaining to members of Congress and get a GAO investigation? Any other options?
On 06/29/2017 04:21 PM, Kel McClanahan, Esq. wrote:
Presidential records are exempt from disclosure until 6 years after the end of the President's term, which would be 1/20/23. It's in the PRA, as interpreted by ISOO. I had this argument with the Bush Library a while back. Now, could you sue them under the APA for applying the statutory embargo for FOIA and PRA to MDR requests? Maybe, but it'd be a hell of a fight and would probably create some horrible case law, so unless you desperately need some Presidential record urgently and damn the consequences for the rest of the requester community, I'd advise against it.
On 6/29/2017 4:13 PM, Rachael wrote:
RE Ken McClanahan, Esq. - is there a link where OPL (Obama Presidential Library) states that it doesn't have to accept MDR requests until 1/20/23 and what their legal reasoning may be?
EO 13526 (the executive order governing the MDR process) states, "...However, the Archivist shall have the authority to review, downgrade, and declassify papers or records of former President and Vice Presidents under the control of the Archivist pursuant to 44 U.S.C 2107, 2111, 2111 note, or 2203..." Section 2203 actually obligates the Archivist to process and publicly release presidential records as rapidly as is legally possible.
Under the PRA (Presidential Records Act), the former president can restrict access to certain records for up to 12 years (44 USC 2204 a). If the restricted access category no longer applies (for example if a record is declassified), then there may be no excuse to withhold the record (44 US 2204 (b)(1)(A)(ii)).
I just don't understand how the OPL believes it doesn't have to accept MDR requests nor comply with the PRA.
Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this.
On 06/29/2017 03:21 PM, Kel McClanahan, Esq. wrote:
The OPL does not have to accept MDR requests until 1/20/23, and I am not surprised they did not acknowledge yours.
On 6/29/2017 2:47 PM, Patrice McDermott wrote:
The OPL, as such, does not yet exist. You should check with Presidential Records at NARA. Patrice -----Original Message----- From: State and Local Freedom of Information Issues [mailto:FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Rachael Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:42 PM To: FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Help, What if agency doesn't confirm receipt of MDR request? Dear FOI Listserve, Firstly, the Obama Presidential Library refused to provide me with an email address to send an MDR request to (which violates US regulations). I sent an MDR request to the Obama Presidential Library's general email address back in April 2017. I sent a follow up email about a week later asking for confirmation of receipt. So far, I have not gotten any response. Since the Obama Presidential Library refuses to acknowledge receipt of my MDR request, can I interpret this as a denial to process my MDR request and start the appeals process? Or do I have to wait the full year before I can start the appeals process? Any citation of the US statutes or CFR would be very helpful. Thank you, Rachael Tackett, currently frustrated MDR requester :(
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