Afghanistan and Russo-Japanese wars. I'd say they started and lost both of them. Kurt On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 11/25/15, Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote: ...
This article is copiously linked at Moon of Alabama http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/the-context-of-yesterdays-turkish-attac...
[numerous foreign airspace violations by Turkey elided]
Out of interest, is there a word for "hypocrite" in the Turk's native language?
The attack on the Russian plane was preconceived on November 22 when a security summit was held with the Turkish government under Prime Minister Davutoğlu and the Turkish Armed Forces. Davutoğlu personally gave the order to shoot down Russian planes. This, Turkey says, was necessary to stop Russian bombing of "Turkmen" in north Syria's Latakia near the Turkish border.
Well that plan didn't quite come together - with Russia's navy now on a hair trigger "shoot to kill any air based threat" order (and Russia closing their military comm lines with Turkey), Turkey had no option but to ground their F-16 fleet.
There's a saying widely used in Russia - Russia never starts a war, but she always ends them.
The terrorists, whether you call them moderate or otherwise, have spread from the middle east (including Syria) to France, Russia and other countries. Russia will end this war in Syria, with or without support from "the West" - in defence of the sovereignty of Syria (the overthrow of which by Western powers as we now know was planned and attempted since decades ago), in defence of the Christians and other minorities of Syria, and in defence of Russia's interests such as the defence of a long time ally, as dignity and pride demands.
France's Napoleon, the Ottoman Empire, WWII Germany and more - when you begin war against Russia, you sign your own "going to lose" warrant. So Rule #1 of war is, make agreement with Russia prior to starting war, no matter who else you are going to war with.
Rule #2 of war - refer to Rule #1.
Quite simple really.
Regards, Zenaan