On 07/10/2016 05:07 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 09:17:12PM -0700, Rayzer wrote:

club. I spent my 18th in the Tombs, 100 Centre St. Manhattan Criminal
court, for an anti-Vietnam war demo in 1971.

https://twitter.com/StylistComplete/status/751978156123238400



And did the protest change anything?


My dad, A WWII army Colonel, later coordinator for tech writers (InfoSec) at NASA Huntsville, military NASA...  Later a regional coordinator for the ADL in the Southeast US until his passing in the 2007 (He stalked the KKK with a bodyguard taking pics of the 'unhoooded' and passed other racist org intel along), in other words, 'a company man'  told me a couple of years before he died, with some surprise in his voice:

"You know? You kids stopped that war!"

Yes... Yes we did. But NOT before we "Brought the war home", and it wasn't JUST kids. BTW, he was alive for the invasion of Iraq and DID NOT LIKE what he was seeing. SOMETHING changed about US Foreign policy in a way he had not expected and he was looking at Pentagon 'Generals" on TV wondering if they even knew what they were talking about.

My dad also had his security clearance threatened because of my teen antiwar activism. THE NYPD's "Red Squad" Capt. Finnegan, the 'silver fox', and his thugs, got my name after a guerrilla theater action and bust at NYU's Queens campus and passed it on to the feds who weren't aware I hadn't seen him for ten years and he had no say over me legally or otherwise. Now they'd know. And I didn't need Ed Snowden to inform me the US government spies on, and is scared of, it's own citizens.



The protesters are protesting, the screwing is going on with some
damages from both sides.

Long ago, an old man told me wars like in Vietnam were done for beta
testing of weapons and dangerous stuff, especially the side effects.

Not so sure about Vietnam, an extractive resource war (Tungsten, tin, rubber, much more incl oil in the Spratlys, S China Sea, that Halliburton was test drilling for under mercenary and special forces protection) but later, and now, ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY. The only thing of value the US produces anymore is weapons systems, and it's hard to sell them unless they've been field tested.


First they poison them, then they ``heal'' them...


See this musical informative vid (sorry FB only...Youtube DMCA pulled it) <https://www.facebook.com/AnarchicTendencies/videos/10151230976058450/> for more on that, and no they don't heal them, they let them die... or, as with 'Psychological Kevlar' pre-treating for PTSD and a bunch of other stuff, they use soldiers as guinea pigs. It's IN THE CONTRACT. They PWN you.

I remember seeing pics of special forces guys shoveling Agent Orange into the hoppers of Bird Dog Cessnas in Vietnam's jungles bare-chested, without so much as a dust mask. I know a guy who has lung disease... He was in the Navy. His job was cleaning up ship hulls for repainting. They gave him basic dust masks but NEVER checked to make sure he was using it.. Not that the masks would have been effective but.

Hence the title of that video: "The Pentagon: They Eat Their Own"

Rr


https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/birth-defects-caused-agent-orange
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In the years following the Vietnam War reports, of high rates 
of miscarriages, premature births, congenital birth defects, 
and infant mortality began to surface from regions in Vietnam 
where Agent Orange was used.

the United States Government passed the Agent Orange Act. This act 
mandates the US government to pay for the medical care of any 
Vietnam War veteran, regardless of length of service, related to an Agent Orange disease.

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IIRC, the USA gave its Vietnamese soldiers psychoactive drugs (some
for being brave) and some of the drugs were found to have very
adverse side effects. Don't have better reference ATM than this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/the-drugs-that-built-a-super-soldier/477183/

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The British philosopher Nick Land aptly described the Vietnam War as 
“a decisive point of intersection between pharmacology and the technology of violence.”

Committee on Crime revealed that from 1966 to 1969, the armed forces had 
used 225 million tablets of stimulants, mostly Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine), 
an amphetamine derivative that is nearly twice as strong as the Benzedrine used in the Second World War. 

For the first time in military history, the prescription of potent antipsychotic 
drugs like chlorpromazine, manufactured by GlaxoSmithKlinea ... became
routine.
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