I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general solution
to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty, and have
very limited reach.

I think a better solution is local wired networks with something like
Freenet running over them providing distributed censorship-proof
storage. The next challenge is to synchronize contents between local
Freenet darknets over sneakernet, which I don't think has been done.

On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 16:06 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
> there are mesh networks
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> freifunk
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> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=freifunk+berlin
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> also when people woke up to the cables of the net all going thru the
> US there was at least talk of making new infrastructure on other land
> masses
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> i wrote about the chatanooga model that freed the fiber under the city
> of chatanooga and also the future being wireless hubs not
> broadband ... look to what the powers are making frameworks for and
> develop outside that realm using its flaws
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>
> when i lived in syria i had video calls in the middle of the
> desert ... no cell towers in sight -
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>
> iraqis had video calling in 2000 or even 1999 - anyone that had an
> efficient fone (nokia was big)
>
>
> in other words the whole system is throttled and thats not just about
> speed
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> but quantum computing development is being ignored ?
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> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
> wrote:
>         Posting 'useful' (your definition) older emails like this I
>         think is good.
>
>         >> 4. The non-profit, open-source, volunteer internet
>         providing services
>         >> or products at no cost or for donations.
>         >>
>         >> 5. The closed sub-internets, mil-gov classified, SCADA,
>         restricted
>         >> and special purpose networks used by operators and
>         administrators of
>         >> backbones, nodes, satellite, cable, wired and wireless
>         systems,
>         >>
>         >> Second, the unknown internets, with or without evident
>         access logging:
>         >>
>         >> 6. The covert policing and spying internet which watches,
>         logs,
>         >> mucks around, runs stings, causes accidents and shut-downs,
>         cuts
>         >> cables, runs surprise tests and attacks, and keeps alive
>         the demand
>         >> for covert oversight of all the known others.
>         >>
>         >> 7. The covert internets which hide among all the others, or
>         try to
>         >> subject to discovery by 6.
>         >>
>         >> 8. The evanescent internets which are set up, used and
>         disappear
>         >> quickly, openly or covertly, subject to 6.
>         >>
>         >> 9. The wayward and waylaid internets which cannot be
>         identified:
>         >> rogues, experiments, mistakes, erratic systems, unexpected
>         >> glitches and consequences, acts of nature, forgotten
>         protocols,
>         >> inept code, destructive code, lost access techniques, death
>         >> of the perpetrators.
>         >>
>         >> 10. Internets of combinations, hybrids, deceptions, ploys
>         and
>         >> warfare among 1-9.
>
>         We need a good name for the internet with these attributes:
>         - not so ad-hoc
>         - physical layer
>         - localised/ immediate neighbourhood area mini-nets
>
>         - eventually (if useful) a meta network connecting these
>
>         Since in general we don't own our internet tubes, the mostly
>         profit-motivated companies that do have ongoing economic
>         incentive to
>         centralize, control, be taken over by larger fish.
>
>         We need to grok a counter-principle, such that we can over the
>         longer
>         term reverse this trend.
>
>         This requires perhaps some perceivable benefit(s) to the local
>         neighbours and their phy nodes, to warrant the hour or so
>         required to
>         connect to each other.
>
>         So where could such features/ benefits arise?:
>         - some new dynamic of torrents?
>         - local/ community "library" concept?
>         - privacy?
>         - anonymity?
>
>
>
>
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