forwarding part of my private conversation to the whole list:

The new list is not the preferable solution, you know. It's the only thing we see right now, but... We should realize, that this splitting up will KILL the original list. It will kill the whole concept and the core idea of the Cypher-Punk list/movement.

The Snowden revelations and all the shit going on in the world in the last 10 years has brought us (people with brain & spirit) to a clear and unambiguous understanding that "THE CYPHERPUNK LIST-CONCEPT MUST EVOLVE, -> THUS MUST BE CHANGED, BECOMING MUCH BROADER". And the focus, as John Young wrote, cannot be on Apolitical (relatively) crypto-math-numbers only as it was before...

Times have irreversibly changed -> thus the issues for discussion must be much much BROADER.
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