On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 02:49:55PM +0200, Vasily Kolobkov wrote:
[2017-05-07 19:33] Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
part text/plain 5060 On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 12:29:57AM +0000, \0xDynamite wrote:
Given that hierarchal power structures enabled and enforced by the State are the major cause of the greatest collective problems faced by the human race, the solution to the greatest collective problems faced by the human race is a bigger more powerful State!
That is the solution for those who are enlightened.
That's the Rosicrucian position, along with the Georgian monoliths "prediction" (intention) to reduce the world's population to ~500 million.
EVERY next rabit bunch of bolsheviks touting "we're all equal and we few see it, let's overthrow the mighty system" will ALWAYS descend into tyranny.
Every truth which requires "just a few -leaders- who see the -real- truth" is flawed by specification - if it cannot or does not apply to us all, it cannot be a universal truth.
The belief in universalisms is at the foundation of "empire and glory", at the foundation of colonialism and despotic subjugation of the billions of minority humans around the world "for the greater good".
Can you not see this Marxos?
This one letter [1] might help. And it is a real treat for anybody wishing good to the people.
[1] http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7176
p.s. don't worry, it's not of the 'War and peace' scale in thickness.
Wow! Short and sweet, and 110 years old - I couldn't stop grinning as I read it - that amazing feeling when you read something "from generations ago" and it could almost be a post on cypherpunks. A timeless quote: "this truth, in order to force a way to man's consciousness, had to struggle not merely against the obscurity with which it was expressed and the intentional and unintentional distortions surrounding it, but also against deliberate violence, which by means of persecutions and punishments sought to compel men to accept religious laws authorized by the rulers and conflicting with the truth." And todays statutes could be considered the modern religion - the dictates of the priests of the courts (judges/magistrates), enforced by armed thugs controlled by the king/rulers, and all paid for by our own taxes paid by actual consent (notwithstanding threats of court, potential jail, and all the surrounding fear)! Religion - that tool reinvented throughout the ages, to control the masses, for the benefit of the few. And Marxos, perhaps this quote will remind us all that there's nothing new under the sun, but also, there is much cause for hope when we can chuckle with the "inspired" thoughts of "enlightened ones from the past" - just gotta watch my ego though :/ _The aim of the sinless One consists in acting without causing sorrow to others, although he could attain to great power by ignoring their feelings._ (Note: It is easy to not agree with all the quotes in this letter of Tolstoy, but those he included may be useful food for thought.) Stating the obvious in nicely concise ways is a great start: In former times the chief method of justifying the use of violence and thereby infringing the law of love was by claiming a divine right for the rulers: the Tsars, Sultans, Rajahs, Shahs, and other heads of states. But the longer humanity lived the weaker grew the belief in this peculiar, God--given right of the ruler. That belief withered in the same way and almost simultaneously in the Christian and the Brahman world, as well as in Buddhist and Confucian spheres, and in recent times it has so faded away as to prevail no longer against man's reasonable understanding and the true religious feeling. People saw more and more clearly, and now the majority see quite clearly, the senselessness and immorality of subordinating their wills to those of other people just like themselves, when they are bidden to do what is contrary not only to their interests but also to their moral sense. And so one might suppose that having lost confidence in any religious authority for a belief in the divinity of potentates of various kinds, people would try to free themselves from subjection to it. But unfortunately not only were the rulers, who were considered supernatural beings, benefited by having the peoples in subjection, but as a result of the belief in, and during the rule of, these pseudodivine beings, ever larger and larger circles of people grouped and established themselves around them, and under an appearance of governing took advantage of the people. And when the old deception of a supernatural and God-appointed authority had dwindled away these men were only concerned to devise a new one which like its predecessor should make it possible to hold the people in bondage to a limited number of rulers. ... those who enjoy power propagate these new sophistries and support them so skilfully that they seem irrefutable even to many of those who suffer from the oppression these theories seek to justify. These new justifications are termed 'scientific'. But by the term 'scientific' is understood just what was formerly understood by the term 'religious': just as formerly everything called 'religious' was held to be unquestionable simply because it was called religious, so now all that is called 'scientific' is held to be unquestionable. Thank you Vasily! :D