On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:12:50 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
So, there is precedent for creation of a new state (country) by secession and referendum, rather than conquest and/ or war.
No because the colonies were created by invasion/conquest. Australia is not a 'new' state. It's just a rebranded part of the british empire. And isn't the australian state still subservient to london, both 'legally' and as a matter of fact? But even more important, the australian state is the biggest criminal gang in the region known as 'australia'. The people who call themselves the gov't of australia are an invading army.
This precedent, although benefitting mainly just the "landed gentry" (land owners), is still something we can view with significant regard as a better way than civil war.
Today's Ukraine shows us a classic case of the two examples: Crimea managed to get support from Russia for a referendum and voted almost unanimously for secession, which Russia duly recognised. The Donbass however, were not granted this option and instead must continue to fight for their lives against the Ukro-Nazis from the West who would rather kill ever Russian speaking Ukrainian they can get their hands on - the ongoing war there is an absolute disgrace to Europe, France, Germany, UK and the rest of the Western regime's cabal who supported the overthrow of Ukraine (for the n'th time), and refused to demand that the new (Nazi-fied) government stop killing its own citizens in the East who want at least a federalization (like we have in Australia, and I believe is not too dissimilar to the North American United States).
Instead all we get is endless repetition of the western MSM meme "Russia illegally annexed Crimea".
They did.
That's called bullshit word manipulation! If "illegal annexation" is all it was, then the citizens of Crimea are massively grateful for that "illegal annexation" and the citizens of the Donbass/ Novorossia sadly pine for the day they are not longer shelled, bombed and shot on a daily basis!
If only Victoria Nuland's "fuck the EU" had the right intention behind it... the EU, like the US, is absolutely disgraceful!