----- persona [ripped into different pieces, moved around a table for study]: "what's important is that people actually discuss security issues, especially when they are worsening and being taken advantage of." persona pieces: "i went to a cryptoparty once. this professional-looking person said they had come from a nearby city, had spent time reverse engineering some stuff, this talk gave them immediate credibility. then during the group talks, they tried to teach everyone that all but the weakest vulnerabilities were outside of any possible threat model. they didn't demonstrate any actual in-depth technical experience. " persona pieces: "now i've learned that groups are actually sending people around to reduce security, it makes sense. this guy must have been doing that." persona pieces: "meanwhile, all our _normal people_ are getting _used as bots_, almost certainly by nations we are in conflict with. if this isn't true, who is going to tell the experts? that somebody else is protecting everyone? because everybody else does not look like they know what they are doing, at all."