-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/17/2016 11:48 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Question - is it possible to have an open public discussion on the issue of vaccinations and their level of safety or otherwise?
My take, just for the hell of it: 1) At least the best known early vaccines, and today's flu vaccines, are placebos. This is based on British public health statistics, consistently showing mortality attributed to contagious diseases in radical collapse before the introduction of vaccines against same, with no noticeable acceleration in that collapse after the introduction of the vaccines. Long story short: The entire impact of sanitary sewer systems, safer water supplies, public health policy, public health education and improved medical treatments for contagious illness have been attributed to vaccines. The studies most often cited in support of the effectiveness of flu vaccines share a methodological error which, when corrected, eliminates the appearance that flu vaccines have any effect, either way, on mortality stats. Long article, well worth reading: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/does-the-vaccine - -matter/307723/ or https://tinyurl.com/9mpzmt8 2) Vaccines probably do not "cause" autism. The illusion that they do would be present either way, as Autistim Spectrum disorders normally become apparent as developmental delays and atypical behaviors at about the same age children are given their first multiple doses of vaccines. I do think it is very likely that vaccination triggers earlier appearance of these symptoms due to the systemic stress of immune system overload, toxic preservatives, etc. produced by the vaccines. There are so many possible chemical drivers of subtle, complex, not-understood neurological disorders like autism that singling out one cause for an "epidemic" would require detailed studies of comparable populations who, for instance, do and do not eat manufactured foodlike product (anything not accurately labelled "organic"), do and do not live in households that use novel biochemicals daily (soaps and detergents with synthetic components, anything "scented", etc.), do and do not live in regions subject to major environmental toxicity, etc. Lots of luck getting that funded. In summary: Immunology is the science that tells us how vaccines should work. It is a very complex technical discipline, looking at massively complex organic processes. Any long term, motivated effort by immunologists to produce arguments for or against the effectiveness of vaccines should produce the desired "proofs." Funding is only available for studies that /assume/ vaccines work. Epidemiology is the science that can tell us whether or not vaccines work. It is a fairly simple and straightforward discipline, easily understandable by any literate person who makes the effort, and it tells us that vaccines do not work. A possible exception: Veterinary vaccines might actually work. If so, only because in the process of developing them, massively iterated "terminal experiments" are possible. Not so with humans, alas; all one has to go on there is "according to our PharmaChem funded research, this /should/ work," and "hey, at least it does not appear to kill people outright, so where's the harm?" Personally, I don't use them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXFR8MAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LQ0sP/2x+W5ez3WS3pJsuiL8P7vxN K0UJx/fx7kN/J+xQ7h1GuUBWGkmkApvKLpUFNXqhr/dTLs5vBiKvD00X5LFP+qkz GUYw//HjKaLxpc+/RP/Q+aet5JegL3HiXtjJdU9CQB8kMvvkbNvtHw7mStvun6mw TulSUXsrZVUMitr1ddqNtInrTByI8KX6pINu7sKDrRKYabggsk/kLEPgbpSTXUxe 5tCg7LU+Q8AsqvzZxfnXKgYa0iTsm9cw17PN+398yoC3hL1J+xy/Q8ajsRkbEp91 UYclhrjwBws6Eyy6he+ZwiuZni0ojRjjEEKcLSqfkfinWJzdu3+g9xh+0Y3snois 5YK01meUELA6hfoBVCplgoSnQF2Lx4U8IT8bFpGn8p5UDN3Kx0ILnP96AC5bq5+t KnjahAUmipPCk2K868eoPS6g7c276q3dMGBur/gAOFtKan42FXQDzEbGF+riC+1w NdxeQVunh5s4oNotQk6iuXm2H3XzNhrR7APEV9XGdAyZVucRWZ6qOURkLJZXjeqq YbDNgqmJP871J3q4pm6rc8h1CvRUiOdCVAaxx/2irBV1XKXqk2MeZ3wFrOct3y1i Gene39Ffce8Z6jjnWnDjP2icgxSs+/Kj+p2Wriwp2ijj4RvuPuRp1yKMXJlCI3g3 sUGIE2IQpaTLUaf5WjPN =dUDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----