On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:27:49AM +0000, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
On 15/02/19 01:06, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Zerowedgie:
BBC Producer's Syria Bombshell: Douma "Gas Attack" Footage "Was Staged" https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/bbc-shocks-douma-gas-attack-scene-...
If you read this in any detail at all, you will find that she says the gas attack really happened - just that some of the tv footage was staged.
The cameras got there too late to record the real action, so they recreated some of it.
Not good, and hiding it was somewhat reprehensible journalistically speaking; but not actually evil or even manipulative.
Just some TV guys wanting to report a fucking horrific event as best (and probably as accurately) as they could.
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** Michael Savage: complete “false flag in Syria.” No sarin gas, most likely phosgene gas http://theduran.com/michael-savage-complete-false-flag-in-syria-no-sarin-gas...
Oh wow, that's okay then. Only phosgene, not (gasp) sarin.
Of course, it is far easier to make/get hold of phosgene (CG) than sarin (GB). It is far cheaper. It is also easier to weaponise [1].
IMO phosgene is a little nastier than sarin, though some of those knowing both would disagree. But practically speaking, there isn't a huge difference in nastiness.
Weight-for-weight on an absorbed dose basis sarin is famously about 20-30 times more lethally toxic than phosgene. However on a quantity-used-in-an-actual-attack basis the comparison is more even, with sarin being only about three or four times as lethally toxic as phosgene.
Incidentally, the vast majority of WW1 poison gas deaths were caused by phosgene, even though it was used infrequently compared to other agents like chlorine or mustards (the other agents could be seen or smelled or felt, and they terrified troops - phosgene just killed them almost unnoticed, with them dying in the next day or two; not as good from a military POV as phosgene doesn't terrify or incapacitate immediately).
[1] Sarin is a liquid and has to be made into very small even droplets, and then clouds of these droplets must be spread around for maximum effect. Phosgene is a gas, which comes as a liquid under pressure; just open the cylinder and it spreads itself around.
Point is, there is zero evidence that Assad or Russia was behind -any- chemical "gassing attack" of any syrian people as per the media reports. I don't see the benefit of clouding the fundamental here... <me>Shilling for Russia ? Actually, asking for evidence, and seeking any ounce of sanity in the face of "the glorious Western empire" conducting coup after coup, murdering "perhaps half a million children" and Madeline Albright (US Secretary of State) “but the price — we think the price is worth it,” droning humans to death day after day, without "trial and conviction" (the glorious West's glorious due process), the overthrow of stable third world nations such as Libya and the endless debt enslavement tyranny upon the world. Fundamentally, the Western empire had to fall - and it is thankfully now in the throws of its death. And that's a good thing, and well overdue.