On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 22:33:58 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
I'm fundamentally a hedonist, in that having fun is my major goal in life. But yes, I'm utilitarian. And a scientist.
hedonism is great. As long as you don't violate personal rights to get your fun, of course.
I didn't say "above". Indeed, I'm among the least community minded here. Right on the edge. It's just that I'm such a charming guy ;)
Well, you don't think the 'masses' can govern themselves, so it kinda follows you think they must be governed? I assumed you pictured yourself among the ruling class rather than the ruled class, but maybe that was a wrong assumption on my part? You're saying you personaly need to be ordered around by politicians and cops because you're like a helpless child?
However, it's a hugely self-selected community, with an explicit social contract, and members who don't play well get shunned and booted. I really don't think that such a community would work for random sheeple.
So that's your argument against personal rights eh. Wait, your little community tale, whether real or imaginary, is not an argument. Then again, utilitarianism is even less of an argument.
There's no right to be a member of a voluntary organization.
I didn't say there is. I mentioned personal rights because they are the political principle in opposition to utilitarianism. Utilitarians think that people should be ordered around and forced to do things that utilitarians consider 'useful'. Slavery is a perfectly utilitarian institution because slaves are useful to their masters. The FDA is great because it 'protects' poor consumers (no, no, the FDA isn't the handmaiden of big pharma, not at all). Etc.
So what's your path to anarchy? Love? Education? Kill the assholes?
That's not the subject at hand.
Who are you to define the "subject at hand"?
And it's a simple question, no? If you don't have an answer, I guess that I default to mocking you for being uselessly dogmatic.
There's nothing dogmatic about telling the authoritarians, social planners, technocrats and the like to fuck off. It's the most basic, libertarian position. My personal plan is to counter propaganda, and it's what I'm doing at this moment. Apart from that, I don't have a path to overthrow the argie government or any other government. Wait, let me count my pocket money. Hm, no, I don't have enough resources to start a war against the state at the moment. In more general terms the path to anarchy requires some kind of critical mass to be reached. How? I don't know.
STILL, if people on this list were actually 'cypherpunks', instead of techno-fascist posers, then your comment would be as out of place as it should be.
There are no rules here, my friend :)
Of course there are rules. Basic logical rules. The pertinent rule in this case being : if you're not an anarchist, then you're not a cypherpunk, so what are you doing here?
So you say.
so what do you say? cypherpunks advocate tyranny?, sorry! I mean, enlightened technocratic government?
And just in case I need to spell out the painfully obvious. That's not a 'rule' to be 'enforced' by some 'owner' of some 'server'.
So tell me, what do you think about the demographics of the flu farce in germany? What's your opinion as Englightened Science Worshipper? Do you want more thermal cameras like our Agent Jim Bell? Here, some basic arithmetic :
I don't much care. We won't know how it will go for a year or two.
that doesn't sound too scientific. There's some propaganda...I mean, 'evidence' coming, for instance, from the german government, which I'd assume to be relatively unbiased (apart from their obvious pro-government bias). The people who allegedly die from the flu is a small minority, and their age shows that they are actually dying...of old age, not because of some 'deadly' 'new' 'very contagious' 'pandemic'.
It could go away, or it could get worse, or another one could come along. But human technological society is doomed, one way or another.
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-July/081633.html
Being over 70, I'd rather not be surrounded by masses of infected idiots. And damn, I'm glad that I don't live in Texas or California. Or the South, generally. However, I do see the logic of letting old folks die,
nobody is 'letting old folks die'. Then again, if the 'humanitarians' are so concerned about human lives they should you know...ban guns...ban knives...ban forks...ban cars...ban alcohol...ban sugar!...ban THEIR OWN FUCKING WARS..and EVERYTHING ELSE. Wait, an easy reductio ad absurdum shows that this fascist garbage isn't about 'protecting' old folks, or anybody else.
and trashing the economy less.
FUCK the economy. The farce has nothing to do with 'protecting' people or with the economy directly. Though one of the objectives may be indeed to trash the economy, or rather, TRASH everybody except big businesses. Yeah, that sounds like a plan.
But then, a trashed economy releases less CO2, so maybe that's a good thing.
So overall, I don't care much.