umn i just met u at #30c3 i know who u r so... aaahhh memories... names .... ppl... buses ... berlin... i was making a little joke and calling u poland sorry i happen to love poland generally so i like to talk about it i guess how do you conclude that aaron was not "hacking" PLEASE EXPLAIN ??????? On 1/7/14, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/7/14, Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:
Apart from the refusal to bow to PC, James is actually a pretty smart guy from what I recall. He implemented some simplifed UX, ECC crypto email stuff called 'crypto kong' [2] way back in 1997.
all hail to the chiefs but happy to praise all-all but look even mass murderers are kind sometimes i am sure ie just onaccounta' you is smart in one compartmentalized section of ur life dont mean ur emotionally smart
Cypherpunks write code & all that, gives James some brownie points.
agreed!!!!!
About Aaron's case and suicide, it seems to me that Aaron miscalculated, and the hacking was pretty escalated, engaged in multiple escalating counter-measures when it was obvious the sysadmins were on to him as an intruder, he didnt back off
i have not heard this before - i had the information that he was downloading way too much at a time and doing it over a very small period of time and that tipped them off my information is that he was very careful in other work of this kind why would he b so sloppy this time - i mean how do you know he knew they were on to him?
but took it to the next level including physical intrusion & hiding equipment. But MIT (and to a lesser extent JSTOR) let him down badly as did some of his academic friends and its tragic that he was a victim of some extremely over reaching imbalanced law the CFAA [3], aggressively prosecuted by self-agrandizing politically motivated, and almost legally immune deeply flawed US federal prosecution and plea bargain system,
yes but i think from my understanding it wasnt the amount of prison time or the money but the fact that he wld have to plead guilty to 13 felony counts - he would not get to serve in the government ... vote etc
which also saw Weev [4] put in jail over the most ridiculous and egregious abuse of law (noticing a defect in AT&T web site and giving the information to the media). Yes Weev enjoys trolling, but thats an art-form and since when has unpopular speech been illegal, freedom of speech means unpopular speech too.
AGREED - i am not sure ppl know enough about his case any ideas about how we can push it out there more?????
Aaron's earlier hacktivism was pretty spectacularly successful in demonstrating the stupidity of charging for access to publicly funded legal information, in a way that ultimatey they could find no legal fault with, though the feds were not doubt pretty pissed that they couldnt get him for anything. But even the legal dox hacktivism stunt was very high risk, the US legal system is hard to rely on, even when you are doing legal but politically unpopular to things to a subset of the higher echelons of office holder. It seems to me that particularly in the US the political/legal system tends to hold grudges and fail spectacularly at balance and impartiality and legal independence from political influence. Its better than Russia still, but its falling in world rankings of rule of law and political indendence for sure. There are probably some independent rankings on this aspect of the government/jurisdiction comparison.
i would love to see the rankings on that too i was just going over this very thing > there is no oversight absolutely NONE like in the bureau of prisons guess who decided the fate of lynne stewart > 1 man who is the director > it is a piss poor system that has no intellectual growth in its structure for a very long time > i find it curious that u compare US judicial system to russia thats funny
agreed the system is not reliably predictable EVER i think he spoke to agents without a lawyer present
i think all instances are multifaceted and criticism and debate about aaron is helpful i wasnt saying that i was saying the militance was off to me
i would be interested to hear more of what ppl think were the mis-steps in his work however large or small it may seem - as i am doing some work around 'reparations' and want the full picture as much as possible before i get hit in the face with it somewhere else...
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME
Adam
[1] http://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.html [2] http://echeque.com/Kong/ [3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:15:07AM +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
shut the fuck up
who is arrogant (and simplistic)? u
On 1/6/14, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 2014-01-07 03:18, John Young wrote:
Swartz was ratted by a sysadmin, investigated by several sysadmins, some who formerly helped him and were pressured to betray him, indicted with the essential help of sysadmins. University and JSTOR administrators could not have discovered him , aided the investigation, cooperated with the prosecutor, without sysadmins. The cops and prosecutor could not have caught, investigated, coerced witnesses, indicted and killed Swarz without sysadmins. Some of those sysadmins are under lifetime vows of secrecy for cooperating against Swartz.
They were not "ratting" on him
A sysadmin tries to keep his systems working. Aaron Swartz was disruptively trespassing on their systems - he was arrogantly and obnoxiously aggressing against them.
And that, in fact, was what he was charged with, not with releasing JSTOR IP property, but with screwing up other people's computers.
If he had been furtive about collecting the data, the way Snowden was, there never would have been any problem.
The problem was that Aaron Swartz was an arrogant asshole who thought he was ruling class and above the law, and that those he aggressed against were menials beneath the law - the Henry Louis Gates phenomenon.
One of the things our ruling class filters against is conspicuous and obnoxious arrogance. They don't want us noticing them. Aaron Swartz failed the conspicuous arrogance filter before being granted tenure, so suddenly found himself no longer ruling class.
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On 1/7/14, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
to hack someone
hack
Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it means
hey poland - you dont think a person can b hacked? wow....
On 1/7/14, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
to hack someone
hack
Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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P.S. Yeah, yeah, why am I even feeding the troll.
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