@Jim: "Don't forget that "anarchy" does not necessarily imply "chaos". I solved that problem 22 years ago. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm" I'll check it out once I get back home home :) "THAT doesn't make a bit of sense." I'm just saying that anarco-socialism is very paradoxical to itself since the idea of socialism depends on some form of government in itself (usually with extended powers over production, distribution, etc). And that anarchy doesn't fit with it properly. "My solution should be far faster. How bloody it will be, it's hard to say. People have grudges, in many cases for excellent reasons. " Your solution is in the link above? "I have long objected to the way people use the term "capitalism". Capitalism is merely the 1800's term for "crowd-funding" of business. Great advance, then. Problem is, people use that term when what they really mean is "free market". And no, we don't have anything close to a free market today, in America or other Western nations. " That's true, free market/enterprise has been corrupted in every nation on this world. I personally see a free market system to yield good results for the well-being of a country it is allowed to stay free. V/R, Umair -------- Original Message -------- On Aug 22, 2017, 11:59, jim bell wrote:
From: Umair Chachar <uchachar@protonmail.com>
I mean. I agree it's pretty strong (I guess). However, there is so much wrong with this manifesto. It's crying out for absolute chaos and a new world order,
Don't forget that "anarchy" does not necessarily imply "chaos". I solved that problem 22 years ago. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm
which is very paradoxical to itself and the anarchist part. The only thing more confusing than anarchy is anarcho-socialism lol
THAT doesn't make a bit of sense.
You guys need to read "On Revolution" by Hannah Ardent. Revolts by the working class or lower are often extremely bloody and last a very very long time.
My solution should be far faster. How bloody it will be, it's hard to say. People have grudges, in many cases for excellent reasons.
And "Capitalism & Freedom" by Milton Friedman to actually understand that Capitalism isn't all that bad if you have a small government.
I have long objected to the way people use the term "capitalism". Capitalism is merely the 1800's term for "crowd-funding" of business. Great advance, then. Problem is, people use that term when what they really mean is "free market". And no, we don't have anything close to a free market today, in America or other Western nations.
Jim Bell
-------- Original Message -------- On Aug 21, 2017, 14:42, Cecilia Tanaka < cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Received this text today. Really appreciated the ideas. You can detest the post, but must admit it's pretty interesting and provocative! :D
Kisses, hugs and tickles! <3
Ceci
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(A) CyberClassWar Manifesto 2017 (A)
First and foremost we are anarchists. The world is split into two camps: the working class and the ruling class. We the workers will wage a class war against the ruling class and the current social order, and bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old.
We seek to destroy capitalism, the state, and all forms of hierarchy such as racism, patriarchy, abelism, homophobia and transphobia. In turn we seek to create a united world, free of borders and nationality, where all people live united by solidarity and love for their fellow human being. We shall know no domination, no hierarchy, no oppression. We shall abolish wage labor and have workers' self-management. Surely there will be mistakes, and surely there will be problems, but the world will be incomparably better than how it exists today. We do not see this vision as some pipedream distant utopia, but rather as the only viable option for the survival of humanity. Climate Change and environmental degradation have ravaged our planet to a horrific degree, so we must act for the sake of the future.
Make no mistake, we do not believe in a vanguard. The liberation of the working class must be the work of the working class itself. A small portion of the working class cannot stand as a representative for the rest of us. We do however believe that CyberClassWar can be used as a weapon against the ruling class.
But what exactly is CyberClassWar? It is merely the practice of using the tactics of cyberwarfare to advance the aims of the working class. Instead of limiting ourselves to the workplace, community, and home, we are upgrading our strategy to the information age so as to encompass the virtual realm. We live out an increasing portion of our lives in the place known as the internet, so why not extend the fight. Hacktivism already exists but it hasn't been leveraged to the full degree it could.
We will not go into detail, but we shall say that we want do expropriative acts via the digital realm.