On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:17:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:10:33AM -0300, juan wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:39:27 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 07:44:42PM -0300, juan wrote:
This is what happens to honest businessmen in the US https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2012/03/26/use-real-money-go-to-fe...
Not only the USA.
Moral of the story? A win/change by a lone individual will not last the next term of government where he is not re-elected, and ONLY a genuine grass roots supported movement for change, shall be lasting.
But he did get some popular support...
No, he got support for the data/info gathering.
Entirely different to political support for a systemic change.
Maybe the moral of the story is that democracy is rather flawed. "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal"
The Swiss failed to keep constitutional and therefore people control over their own money.
But they did for some decades experience far greater political "control" than most other so-called democracies around the world.
switzerland is a bit more civilized in some ways than other countries. They don't have a 'president' (king/figurehead/leader), they don't have a single 'national' language - the political system seems to be somewhat more decentralized. And the direct democracy thing is kinda interesting but futile in the end look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_referendums,_2014 12 referendum on many non-trivial issues. The most notable thing to me is that there is no 'community' at all. The % of support for different projects is all over the place. That means a lot of stuff get imposed on a lot of people against their will all of the time. free movement of people : 50% 50% - but the anti free movement criminals won. commie-fascist financing for railways : 38% against it, have to pay anyway buying war planes : 53% against it - but it could have been 49%... etc.
Also balk against "they" - far too defeatist, leads to disheartened apathy ("there's nothing we can do - 'they' will stop us"). Not useful.