On 9/5/16 8:13 AM, Razer wrote:
On 09/04/2016 10:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness quoted, I believe John Young:


That sounds like what cypherpunks was set up to combat, the withdrawal from politcial affairs into safe sanctuary of infallible mathematics...

My take on the Cypherpunks charter:

Cypherpunks exists to promote free speech, establish that free speech includes the freedom to have secure private speech, and to explore how this can be accomplished.  In support of this, to understand implications of technology-enabled free speech and the technical, commercial, and political moves needed to protect free speech.

What this does not include is promoting or bashing particular political systems or plotting their demise or constantly going on about insane nonsense.  We've seen that train wreck before, Lance.


      

      
That's how ALL the problems start. Cloistering and it's whorehouse,
Academia.

    

    

    Nearly all problems come from ignorance.  Celebrating ignorance is
    ignorant.  Not seeing that problems almost universally are the
    result of ignorance and then complaining about those who work to
    rise above ignorance is ignorant.  Sometimes well-studied people
    make mistakes or are ignorant outside of their narrow focus. 
    Ignorant people constantly make profound mistakes and often breed
    more ignorance.  There is nothing to celebrate there.

    

    If you are ignorant, you are being manipulated.  You are essentially
    helpless, a pawn in somebody's plan.  It's cute how those who are
    gradually becoming aware suddenly see how they are being controled
    and oppressed, but usually have a gaping understanding gap. 
    Teenagers are sure that their parents are controlling and oppressing
    them.  (And they often are, but often not in the way that a teenager
    thinks.)  A college kid who first reads Rand is sure they completely
    understand how the world works in clear black and white.  People
    reading conspiracy theories and bits of history think they
    completely understand the nefarious mechanics of the world. 
    Plausible and possible become certainties, resistant to facts and
    first-hand knowledge and even common sense.  Tiresome nonsense,
    endlessly repeated.  OFF TOPIC.

    

    

      
Einstein said if he had known what they were going to do with his
theoretical works he would have never cooperated.

Don't be "Einstein".

    

    

    Don't be the ignorant people he was complaining about.

    

    

      

Rr



    

    

    sdw