On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:59:14 -0000 xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -0000, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote: Now, here's your fallacy. Because we humans are of course acting rationally under pressure. Take Juan's give-me-your-money example: in order to actually hand out your money you need to understand my intentions, you need to know that I know what you might know etc, and then act accordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2KGGMc1EM
Here's a second video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy75GtKsOAw In that second video apparently he tricks a guy at a jewelry store (a goldsmith?) into selling him a $4500 ring for a stack of white paper. Needless to say, I think the video is fake. The first video you linked might be plausible, especially taking into account that the people he tricks do realize they were tricked after a short while. However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is going to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the subway system is...not plausible. I do think that Darren is socially engineering people. The people who watch their videos, IF they think are real...
Don't be so sure.
This is rationality at work.
THAT is free will.
Poke around on Youtube and watch a bunch of Derren's stuff.
I don't mean this in a confrontational tone, but it seems you are being tricked by Derren... Watch how
he MAKES people make choices that, to them, feel entirely free.
Listen to him, as he teaches you how it works, WHY it works, and get an understanding of the limits of rational, conscious free will.