forced everyone in my family to use eco stuff (I'm pretty sure they are still throwing away all trash unsegregated when I'm not looking though).
You'll be disappointed to hear that recycling is largely irrelevant on the global scale, and was favoured by green parties as a policy only because it gets voters involved and makes them feel important to the solution. Same goes for changing to efficient lightbulbs; it's helpful, but practically negligible compared to your daily commute, your choice of diet, your insulation, etcetera. In the end, industry, and the consumer products we buy from it that fuel its bad behaviour, is far worse for the environment than piffling things like bulbs and recycling. Buying less waste is better than segregating it. What we need is energy decline, and what that means is travelling less, buying less, burning less. Our energy should come from nuclear, not coal. Our buildings shouldn't be made from concrete. Our diets should use less land; less meat, and higher yields (go-go-gmo!). Our products should last longer and do more (cf. Bunnie's concept of "heirloom laptops"), instead of doing less faster and then breaking and getting "recycled" by impoverished kids in bangladesh. It's a totally systemic problem, and bullying people into just recycling makes them think that they've done their part, and the rest is up to the next worst person. They need to understand that shutting down the coal plant in their city would do more good all-round than if everyone in the city recycled everything they bought. On 23/10/14 11:13, "Łukasz \"Cyber Killer\" Korpalski" wrote:
W dniu 23.10.2014 o 11:55, Lodewijk andré de la porte pisze:
2014-10-23 10:33 GMT+02:00 "Łukasz \"Cyber Killer\" Korpalski" <cyberkiller8@gmail.com <mailto:cyberkiller8@gmail.com>>:
BTW: I made an oath last july, which was f****** unbearably hot in my location, to punch any climate change denier that I come across in the face. So consider yourself lucky that punches don't fly over the wire. Climate change is a fact, not something to believe/notbelieve.
No, please, just don't, god, this is even worse!
Providing the wrong arguments for the right conclusion DOES NOT HELP AT ALL
I'm not sure I follow. Being angry at people who deny clinate change, because of them less people care about the environment, seems like a good idea to me.
There's not much else I can do, I already gave donations, signed petitions, gave my computing power to climate model research in a BOINC project, forced everyone in my family to use eco stuff (I'm pretty sure they are still throwing away all trash unsegregated when I'm not looking though). I lack the power to change the policies of the large most polluting countries, and eco terrorism is quite difficult when they shoot first and ask questions later.
Anyway, I'll drop the subject now.
At /best/ you'll only invoke the "it can be warmer randomly, that's fine, climate or just a hot year", which is the truth, at worst you're giving Juan a reason to deny an overwhelmingly large body of evidence.
OK, I'll stop feeding the troll.
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If you really care: http://www.unep.org/climatechange/ or more specifically http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/index.shtml
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Thx for these links.