Gratifying to see a few of those here featured in NY Times today discussing inevitable failures and contradictions in security: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/technology/heartbleed-highlights-a-contrad... To be read with Schneier's 2007 account of inevitable security lemons (resurrected by Coderman): https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/04/a_security_mark.html Our security consumer advice based on frank, honest and distrustful discussions here for nearly 18 years: "Unreliable SSL has been uninstalled. All security and privacy policies are unreliable. Protect yourself against security and privacy promise." Still hopeful Hettinga will plug these insider breaches of why marketing lemonade is so lucratively persuasive to those who know better. And who do not disclose here.