On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:10:35AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=homosexual+political+blackmail
Plenty of history.
again, bullshit. There is some amount of blackmail and yet blackmail doesn't explain politics at all. If your views are misleading you're part of the problem. If you're providing an 'explanation' that is bullshit, you're part of the problem. So please, cut the propaganda and post your zerohedge-trumpo-putin bullshit elsewhere.
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics. I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today". ------------------------- Facts in support. Hoover allegedly collected "information about the sexual lives of Washington’s power elite, including John and Robert Kennedy, Eleanor Roosevelt and others, according to a number of biographers" https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-02-06-mn-1078-story.html Many years ago I read a book saying he stated that he founded it "very useful" that pedophilia had been formally declared illegal in statute - but there are too many books about, and I don't have time to read them all just to find that quote again. The above book (link) says "The new book quotes two former Office of Strategic Services officials who said they saw pictures of Hoover engaged in a sexual act with Tolson. One, John Weitz, said he could not recognize anyone in the photo he was shown at a dinner party in the 1950s but was told by his host, whom he would not identify, that it depicted Hoover and Tolson" and alleges that Hoover was blackmailed by the mafia. See also https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/814
From here https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy... we read a few assertions apparently backed by facts: What happened in Suite 233?
The connections Roy Cohn built during the 1950s made him a well-known public figure and translated into great political influence that peaked during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. Yet, as Cohn built his public image, he was also developing a dark private life, which would come to be dominated by the same blackmail pedophile racket that appears to have first begun with Lewis Rosenstiel. One of the “blackmail parties” Susan Kaufman attended with her then-husband Lewis Rosenstiel was hosted by Cohn in 1958 at Manhattan’s Plaza Hotel, suite 233. Kaufman described Cohn’s suite as a “beautiful suite…all done in light blue.” She described being introduced to Hoover, who was in drag, by Cohn, who told her that Hoover’s name was “Mary” in a fit of barely concealed laughter. Kaufman testified that young boys were present and Kaufman claimed that Cohn, Hoover and her ex-husband engaged in sexual activity with these minors. New York attorney John Klotz, tasked with investigating Cohn for a case well after Kaufman’s testimony, also found evidence of the “blue suite” at the Plaza Hotel and its role in a sex extortion ring after combing through local government documents and information gathered by private detectives. Klotz later told journalist and author Burton Hersh what he had learned: Roy Cohn was providing protection. There were a bunch of pedophiles involved. That’s where Cohn got his power from — blackmail.” Perhaps the most damning confirmation of Cohn’s activities in Suite 233 comes from statements made by Cohn himself to former NYPD detective and ex-head of the department’s Human-Trafficking and Vice-Related Crimes Division, James Rothstein. Rothstein later told John DeCamp — a former Nebraska state senator who investigated a government-connected child sex ring based in Omaha — among other investigators, that Cohn had admitted https://www.wikispooks.com/w/images/8/8e/The_Franklin_Cover-Up.pdf to being part of a sexual blackmail operation targeting politicians with child prostitutes during a sit-down interview with the former detective. which goes on and on still... Then there's the Boys Town documentary, and then the documentaries about the documentary since the documentary was set to air on national (USA) TV and was pulled literally in the last hour or so before airing - though today it's available on YouTube and other places. Next we find a relatively recent book by Angus McLaren: Sexual Blackmail: a modern history by Angus McLaren https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/sexual-blackm... This appears to be more of a general historical coverage, he highlights (significantly in my opinion), that it is the introduction of laws policing human sexuality (not talking here about aggressive or violent rape), which creates not only new classes of criminals, but new classes of blackmail which have, over 100s of years (at least) been used for blackmail, with references and reporting aplenty. Here's a quote from that particular book review: Angus McLaren's brainwave has been to disinter old stories of sexual blackmail from newspapers and more arcane sources in England and the United States. He has used these to compile a fascinating, humane and thought-provoking history of social attitudes, human intimacy and sexual taboos. Sexual Blackmail is full of good stories and racy characters – rent boys, vamps, conmen, gold-diggers, soppy vicars, senescent lechers, pyjama parties, tabloid bullies and bossy prigs. Some of the tales in this book are jolly. Others are variously pitiful, cruel and sordid. Overall, they constitute a strong reminder of what should be the first law of sexual ethics: always distrust the accuser. Blackmail emerged when 18th-century criminals realised that the laws against sodomy could enable them to entrap men, and extort their money. As early as 1757, an English statute made blackmail a criminal offence. Opportunities increased when sexual conduct became the index of respectability for the 19th-century middle classes. In England, blackmail was more tightly linked to homosexuality than in the puritan US, where activities prohibited by law or social sanction included seduction, adultery, oral sex and inter-racial fornication. The notorious Labouchere Amendment of 1885, whose vague wording put more Englishmen at risk of prosecution for homosexuality, proved an incentive to false accusation and extortion. So did America's Mann Act of 1910, targeting inter-state fornication and adultery. Like prohibition against alcohol or drugs, proscriptive sexual legislation created not only new classes of criminal but was an incentive to new forms of crime. The peak period of sexual blackmail was the Twenties and the Depression years of the Thirties. This was partly because people were short of money, but surely also because what we term Victorian values were actually enforced most pervasively during the reigns of Kings George V and VI. Newspaper reports of blackmail trials defended the reputation of men in authority. The well-off victim was portrayed as naïve or foolish: the youths, or designing women, as irredeemably corrupt. Most blackmailers were exceptionally nasty, but the violence with which judges denounced them seems designed to deflect attention from the sexual indiscretions of the professional men who had been victimised. There was a real element of class solidarity in judicial language. Blackmail was not only associated with homosexuality. Courtesans threatened to publish indiscreet memoirs unless clients paid to have their names pressed. When Harriet Wilson tried this trick on the Duke of Wellington in the 1820s, he famously retorted, "Publish and be damned!" Criminals, particularly in the US, organised "shake-downs" in which a woman would target a susceptible man, who would then be trapped by an accomplice posing as her husband. "I caught them all," gloated an Irish blackmailer known as Chicago May in the 1890s. "University Professors, ministers, priests, gamblers, country yokels, sportsmen, gentlefolk and visiting grandees." ... Although stories of blackmail receded during the Second World War, London policemen in the Fifties, as one admitted, "looked on homosexuals as a source of extra income". The ringleader of a highly organised gang of 70 members engaged in entrapping and blackmailing American fags in the Sixties was a Chicago cop. Perhaps the most recent indictment of those in power, is Fiona Barnett and the documentary she made "Candy Girl", about her experiences as a child and later teenager in Australia: Fiona Barnett The Candy Girl (Documentary) http://www.mindbodyheartandsoul.org/video/fiona-barnett-the-candy-girl/ Fiona Barnett The Candy Girl is a film about the insidious evil that exists in Australia within the ranks of our politicians and leaders who are pedophiles. In this documentary film, Fiona recalls the many times that she experienced abuse at the hands of several politicians, actors and other famous people here in Australia. This film is very disturbing, and even though the facts that are contained in this film need to be exposed, there is much resistance within the ranks of those in power to do anything about these matters. Nothing has been done to address the issue since the film’s creation in 2015. ... Harassment and Targeting Fiona is academic by nature and has spent too many years compensating for her poor public school education. She has studied visual arts, education, art therapy and psychology at a tertiary level. In 2010, Fiona had almost completed a masters in forensic psychology at a private Gold Coast university, when certain staff targeted her for removal from the psychology industry. This attack immediately followed her adherence to mandatory reporting legislation regarding disclosure of child abuse allegations by a client in the Bond University Psychology Clinic. This attack was one of many endured since escaping her childhood perpetrators. Bond University staff conspired to mislead authorities regarding Fiona’s age at the time of her child abuse experiences. They reported her as an adult perpetrator, instead of a child victim of the crimes she experienced, to the Queensland Police and Psychology Board. Select staff within these government organisations then collaborated with Bond University to destroy Fiona’s chosen profession. They also targeted her physical safety. Pedophiles Down Under This pinnacle attack on Fiona’s life triggered a chain of events that led to the existence of the Pedophiles Down Under website. Tired of the constant threats to her family’s safety, and incessant sabotage of her efforts to participate normally in Australian society, Fiona realised she had no choice but to go public. In 2013, Fiona provided witness testimony to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse. She simultaneously participated in mainstream media interviews and published a series of articles in a popular Australian online news journal. Fiona’s public disclosure led to other Australian victims coming forward and requesting assistance and exposure for their experiences. Her official complaint against key perpetrator, and high profile Australian psychologist, Dr Antony Kidman immediately preceded his mysterious death in Singapore and attracted global attention. Incredibly (or rather, not), Fiona Barnett and the Candy Girl documentary has been completely censored off of Wikipedia (undoubtly the Wiki Czars will say things like "uncorroborated" - but if extensive first hand accounts is not testimonial evidence, then we no longer have a valid legal system). So, do note the sequence for Fiona's documentary: - documentary released, alleging horrific crimes by powerful people in Australia, with Australian psychologist Dr Antony Kidman heavily involved. - note that Dr Antony Kidman is the actress Nicole Kidman's father - shortly after the 2015 doco is released, Dr Kidman flees to Singapore - shortly after this, Dr Kidman is "mysteriously" killed - also following release of the doco, "other Australian victims coming forward and requesting assistance and exposure for their experiences" If you have not watched this documentary by Fiona Barnett, you are doing a disservice to her courage in creating and releasing it. ------------------------------- Now, in the face of all the above (and that's just a couple hours survey looking for things I can remember off the top of my head, I continue to hold unequivocally to the position that pedophile blackmail is rife in Western political circles. Sometimes, there is no amount of factual material that shall ever be "enough" for dissenters to accept that which is essentially before our eyes, but that's ok - dissenters gonna dissent. I do agree though that if such an opinion re blackmail as many today hold re Western politics and power, were not founded in facts such as a few as are plucked out above, then those holding such opinions would in fact be a part of the problem. And it's also OK to ask for "facts in support" when someone repeatedly makes a bold claim, and a short and unequivocal "bullshit" response is certainly (at least often) an effective way to elicit the claimant into doing a little work to back up his claim - all's fair in the sport of claims and facts, one might say ;) And again, I am grateful that, at least so far, we here on this cypherpunks list are still able to post and discuss about such things without being disappeared. This is more than we can say about certain Chinese nationals in Australia who have suffered life ending events for being so outspoken: "We're Sitting Ducks" - Australian Politicians Warn Of Threat From Chinese Regime https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/were-sitting-ducks-australian-politic... https://www.theepochtimes.com/were-sitting-ducks-australian-politicians-warn... 2019-12-04 - 21:55 ... “Now we’ve heard that Chinese attempts to infiltrate our politics go even further … They’re not just trying to influence politicians with money; they’re trying to get elected to sit in this chamber … wherever they can buy or get seats in the Australian parliament, they’re coming,” Lambie said. “There are no security checks, there’s little to stop it from happening. It’s absolutely beyond shocking.” “People are literally showing up dead. Someone who was supposedly cultivated by the Chinese government to run as a Liberal Party candidate in the Commonwealth Parliament has shown up dead,” Lambie added. “Nothing’s been proven but it’s really concerning … I think we all know what’s going on here.” ...