https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4iQxpwYhAg Tacoma Residents Defensive Shootout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aIviVU7w Only you can defend, not cops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1TXEE_QK4 Ghost Defense Always Exists Pre-2A hardware, all legal for everyone before and after, cannons too... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookson_repeater https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946) https://armsandthelaw.com/archives/WellRegulatedinold%20literature.pdf https://www.yarchive.net/gun/politics/regulate.html Democrats the willful ignorants and anti's of history, never ask... Why does the second amendment exist? Why did the founders think speech and guns were the first two things to list that citizens were guaranteed with? A: Please forgive me for not wanting to negotiate my gun owership with people who just a few months ago wanted me ELIMINATED from society because I didn't want a forced medical treatment. -- Internet Can you imagine if they tried to send us to little camps for being unvaccinated like they did in Australia ? How do you see that going over here? Now how do you see it going if they tried that and we had no guns? You don’t even have to use the gun, just owning them provides a deterrent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59486285.amp https://youtu.be/mGFdWcJU7-0 Internment Camps guns are not going to disappear with the flick of a magic wand...like Democrats seem to imply. "The 2nd amendment doesn't work for self defense", says people that don't exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Electricity and the internet is not a sure thing. When the bad guys break down your door ready to harm you, your family, and take your property, how is the internet going to help you? Freedom of speech is everything. The right to arm ourselves is everything. Because when we give up our right to speak out against anything like abortion, guns, speech, then we have someone who speaks for us. Doesn't seem too free huh? Then the guns. If we give up our right to protect ourselves then we give someone else the right to protect us or NOT protect us. When this country was founded we were leaving another nation bc NOTHING basically was yet free. Speech against a king for instance. If we put freedom of speech in our constitution, it made us free and able as a nation to speak against a king or another nation AND individuals and organizations in our own country. Then we got the guns... Okay. So stepping off the boat, there were wild animals they didn't know about and the native Americans who were pissed off, rightly so, for our basic invasion of their land. Guns were necessary and as a nation trying to break away from forced religious beliefs, another country who had burned women alive lol, yeah very fucking necessary and they never knew when war would happen. Owning guns was an individual's right to protect themselves, their land and new freedoms at all costs. People say well that was hundreds of years ago. Those were absolutely needed then. But now we have people in our own government wanting to take these rights away. Our own government. It's so obvious to me and I know some people don't see it like I do. But those amendments are what makes us free Americans and if we give up our rights to speech and guns, we are quickly going to collapse. I'm telling you right now if you give one inch on the 2nd Amendment, the Radical Left is going to take a mile. That's how they operate. They play for keeps. a well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a good day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed. Whose right is it? The well balanced breakfast’s or the people? What you are describing is not a 2nd amendment right but sedition and treason. The same words England used to describe the US once upon a time. I’m under no illusions about this being the same thing, however the founders enshrined gun rights in the constitution should we ever get there. I do not want to be lectured on gun control by a guy who left $7 billion in weapons to the Taliban. -- Fournier “Arms” is inclusive of all arms, not exclusive of some arms. The regulations started due to Hollywood using the Thompson SMG in mobster movies. very few people were using Thompsons to commit crimes... but because of media portrayal, here we are. American government is the new tyrannical world power, and is the one the founding fathers would be worried about if they were here today If you are actually pro 2a, then you recognize that encryption and access to private and secure communications are also technically arms, and necessary as well. There's a reason that encryption tools and tech has been treated like arms by governments and military all over the world. I'm pro 2a and I'm pro 1a, and I'm anti gov spying on it's own citizens. Plenty of us understand that freedom of communication and organization is just as important as access to arms. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. -Karl Marx, BLM, Progressive Democrats, etc still quote this guy yet somehow disavow this part the real problem, among many others, is a fiat money debt based economy that favors the wealthy elite who strives to control us by dividing us. School shootings have been in the public conscious for decades. The UT shooting was in 66 and was national news...so at least since the 60s...faculty, former students, current students, and outsiders have all shot up schools killing and injuring people. Elementary and middle schools were getting shot up in the early and mid 90s before Columbine happened. Only real difference is the "news" media changed along with the internet, now everything is an instant worldwide 24x7 "crisis". So the same kid can be given a gun and sent to the middle east but can't have one here? universal background checks were going to pass. Do you remember what one of the big hang ups was? The registry. That’s a non starter, it’s absolutely unacceptable to pro 2A types for the government to maintain a database of who owns what. In the case of the Buffalo shooter the tools were already in place to flag him, he mad written and verbal threats over a long period of time. Once again, the government failed to use the tools it already has but we’re supposed to vote to give them more? The ability of the INDIVIDUAL to protect themselves from TYRANNY, everyone THINKS because of PROGRAMMING that it was all about taxes, well it wasn't, people were having their tongues cut out for speaking ill (Based on Facts of Action) of certain people and groups, RELIGIOUS GROUPS, and when those groups are trying to be placed as the governing body to commit more TYRANNIES through limited principles of applied power, sometimes you need to ARMED to protect yourself from them. NOW one of the societal problems is that "REASONABLE DOUBT" clause in which one organized criminal group is planting evidence against another group whether criminal or not or planting evidence against themself which has clearly been planted but blaming that plant on others to create such "Reasonable Doubt". SO YES you do need to be ARMED because that is inside the Government not just on the outside of it pulling the strings. And it wasnt just one government, it was the majority of the world's governments at the same time as a power play to bring about an unelected global authority. Maybe also an important reason to have guns. Maybe. Why does US send these weapons of war to secure a foreign border, yet calls Americans racist for attempting to protect their own You never know when or where the next despotic tyrants will pop up, but they will always give themselves away by trying to take the means to defeat them away from the people. Democrats are today's Despotic Tyrants. They're also the biggest anti-freespeech conspirators and censors the planet has ever seen. a shitload of new Constitutional Carry state legislature had cute little additions that forbade Political carry because the government fucking hates when citizens exercise their rights. The founders could not have been more clear they believed the government would not last and would need to be forcefully removed. Why do you think it’s necessary to the security of a free state? Christ some people here are dense. When such a gang of tyrants attack the 1st and 2nd amendments like that, it's time to throw them out, permanently. The 2A doesn't prevent the government from killing its citizens. It just makes it prohibitively costly to do so at scale. Which is why if it is ever repealed, liberty is dead. The 2A is like countries owning nukes— it preserves the balance of power. The fact that we have the weapons keeps the government in check so they never push beyond a certain line. In Utopian Democracy the power of the people lies purely in voting rights. We don't, and won't ever, live in such fantasy utopia. Thus we maintain other powers and rights. Since when is believing in the Constitution right-wing? It shouldn’t matter what your party affiliation. If you are an American, you believe in the US Constitution. If you don’t? Leave. 60 years of military buildup just got run out of Afghanistan by a bunch of goat farmers with cold war era AKs The taliban achieved a comprehensive victory against an invader that was much richer and had much more advanced technology. That Rebellion, by the way, was started because Massachusett's state taxes were deemed too high by the rebels because it had led to many of the state's citizens becoming deeply indebted to the state. The US State taxes ~45%, that's ~44% more than before, revolutions started over ~1%... you're ~45x past due to revolt. Free speech should be a right of all people, being told what you can and can’t say is some communist shit. Now just cause you can say what you want Doesn’t mean you don’t have to deal with consequences. As far a guns, I believe it was to protect the American people from the American government, being able to protect yourself and your family is also a right everyone should have. Why is it ok to deny the right to bear arms to marijuana users? Why can I have my firearms seized for fishing without a license? I noticed how you didn't mention Hunter Biden lying on his handgun permit paperwork which resulted in a handgun being thrown in the trash by a schoolyard. owning a gun IS a right. And it is directly related to the right to self-defense. If you want to outsource your safety to a civil institution you go right ahead. If we need a license to drive a transportation method, we need a license to own a purpose built tool for killing. Lol, you only got a DL because you fell for their mind control that said you needed one, they never existed since the dawn of cars. when people with guns (the government) tells you, that they will offer security, in exchange for your freedom, by taking away one of the few, if not only, means you are able to resist people with guns, you need to ask yourself who are they doing this for. Your security or their power hold. I agree. I also feel a lot safer with a countryside full of hicks with guns. Seriously. After witnessing the fascist shit other countries have pulled the last couple years, I'm glad our wannabe authoritarians in power can't just strongarm the nation, thanks to the implicit threat of our firearms. people who just won a revolution against a tyrannical government because they had full access to military weapons wanted to guarantee their citizens that same right in perpetuity due to their concern and importantly for many founders assumption they US would eventually slip into tyranny. People who think the 2A changes meaning with time are uneducated on the historical and context and speeches on it and have also clearly had the blinders on these last few years. 2A is more necessary than ever and these threatened infringements and bans could lead us down a very very bad road The second amendment was added to protect against slave uprisings. Now that everyone are slaves to Govts and Corps, and people are angry at them for that, the Govt is protecting itself by removing their ability to uprise. The government has been screwing everything up so they need your guns to protect themselves Alexander Hamilton wrote #29 of “The Federalist Papers“. He was very explicit in why we have this right. The reason for allowing all citizens access to guns is so they have guns to shoot and kill politicians, soldiers, and policeman. "What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined…” – George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790 “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.” -George Washington, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of February 6, 1788 “That no man should scruple, or hesitate a moment, to use arms in defence of so valuable a blessing, on which all the good and evil of life depends, is clearly my opinion.” -George Washington, letter to George Mason April 5th 1769 “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” -George Washington, letter to Alexander Hamilton May 2, 1783 John Adams Gun Quotes “A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military, supplies.” -John Adams, speech to US Congress January 8, 1790 Thomas Jefferson Gun Quotes “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787 “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787 “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776 “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785 “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824 “On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823 “I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778 Benjamin Franklin Gun Quotes “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” -Benjamin Franklin George Mason Gun Quotes “To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788 “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788 “That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” -George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12 1776 Noah Webster Gun Quotes “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787 James Madison Gun Quotes “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788 “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” – James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789 “…the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone…” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788