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2D Point Structure Code

September 30, 2024
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You said:
ok, let’s write short codes and concise minimal replies, that have parts as short as codegolf. can you draft a super-simple structure to represent a 2d point?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here's a minimal structure for a 2D point:

python
class Point: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x, self.y = x, y

Let me know if you'd like to add anything.

You said:
ok, update it to use lists rather than tuples whereever possible (you’ve got an implicit tuple there), and put a linebreak after every colon.
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here’s the updated code:

python
class Point: def __init__(self, x, y): self.coords = [x, y]

This avoids the implicit tuple and uses a list instead.

You said:
ok. now add a function , a method, to calculate the distance from the origin, the vector magnitude, and then run a test to verify it works.
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here's the updated version with a method to calculate the distance from the origin and a test:

python
import math class Point: def __init__(self, x, y): self.coords = [x, y] def magnitude(self): return math.sqrt(self.coords[0]**2 + self.coords[1]**2) # Test p = Point(3, 4) print(p.magnitude()) # Output should be 5.0

This calculates the vector magnitude and verifies it with a test.

You said:
can you run the test and actually check it works?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

python
import math class Point: def __init__(self, x, y): self.coords = [x, y] def magnitude(self): return math.sqrt(self.coords[0]**2 + self.coords[1]**2) # Test p = Point(3, 4) p.magnitude()
Result
5.0

The test worked, and the output is 5.0, as expected. ​

You said:
rock! you made a solid code, good job
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Thanks! I'm glad it worked well for you! Let me know if you'd like to build on it further.

You said:
can you make it more concise using more abbreviations like old C code for people who don’t want to type long words ever?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here’s a more concise version with abbreviations:

python
import math class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.c = [x, y] def mag(self): return math.sqrt(self.c[0]**2 + self.c[1]**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be 5.0

This shortens the class name and method names while keeping it functional.

You said:
what do you think would make the mag() method execute as fast as possible?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

To make the mag() method as fast as possible, consider these optimizations:

  1. Avoid function calls: Inline math.sqrt and the exponentiation by using faster approximations.
  2. Use local variables: Minimize attribute lookups by storing self.c[0] and self.c[1] in local variables.
  3. Approximation techniques: Consider using faster approximations (if you can afford slight inaccuracy), like the fast inverse square root.

Here’s an optimized version using local variables:

python
class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.c = [x, y] def mag(self): x, y = self.c return (x*x + y*y) ** 0.5 # Inlines math.sqrt # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be 5.0

Inlining math.sqrt saves the function call overhead and makes it a bit faster. If precision isn't critical, fast approximations could also help.

You said:
:) what storage representation of the coordinates do you think would let mag() be fastest?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

To make mag() as fast as possible, the storage representation should allow:

  1. Minimized lookup time: Avoid overhead from list or attribute access.
  2. Cache locality: Keep the data in contiguous memory to speed up access.

Best options:

  1. Use a NumPy array: It’s optimized for numerical operations and allows fast access to elements.
  2. Use raw floating-point values in the class itself: This eliminates the list lookup overhead.

Here’s a version using raw floating-point values:

python
class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y def mag(self): return (self.x*self.x + self.y*self.y) ** 0.5 # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be 5.0

This is faster than using a list, as it avoids the list indexing overhead. If you go the NumPy route, it could be even faster for larger datasets.

You said:
do you think it would be worth trying python’s native array module?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Yes, using Python's array module could be worth trying if you want to stick with native Python and optimize memory usage and speed. The array module stores values more efficiently than regular lists, and accessing elements is faster.

Here's how you could use it:

python
import array import math class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.c = array.array('f', [x, y]) # 'f' is for floats def mag(self): return (self.c[0]**2 + self.c[1]**2) ** 0.5 # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be 5.0

Potential benefits:

  • Lower memory usage: More compact than lists.
  • Faster access: Direct memory access, avoiding list overhead.

For operations on many points, array can be more efficient than lists. However, for a small number of operations, the speed difference may be minor.

You said:
what is the fast inverse square root? would it have measurable impact in python?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

The fast inverse square root is a famous algorithm from the Quake III Arena game source code, used to calculate 1 / sqrt(x) very quickly with an approximation. It leverages bit-level manipulation and Newton's method for rapid convergence.

Original Fast Inverse Square Root

The original C code looks like this:

c
float Q_rsqrt(float number) { long i; float x2, y; const float threehalfs = 1.5F; x2 = number * 0.5F; y = number; i = * ( long * ) &y; // evil floating point bit level hacking i = 0x5f3759df - ( i >> 1 ); // what the heck? y = * ( float * ) &i; y = y * ( threehalfs - ( x2 * y * y ) ); // 1st iteration // y = y * ( threehalfs - ( x2 * y * y ) ); // 2nd iteration (optional) return y; }

Impact in Python

Python isn't optimized for bit manipulation and low-level operations, so the fast inverse square root might not show the same dramatic performance gains as in C/C++.

Python Version

Here's a Python approximation:

python
def fast_inv_sqrt(x): threehalfs = 1.5 x2 = x * 0.5 y = x # Bit manipulation using Python's struct import struct i = struct.unpack('i', struct.pack('f', y))[0] i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) y = struct.unpack('f', struct.pack('i', i))[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) return y # Testing with our Point class class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y def mag(self): return 1 / fast_inv_sqrt(self.x**2 + self.y**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be approximately 5.0

Is it worth it in Python?

  • Precision: This method is less accurate than math.sqrt.
  • Speed: Python's math.sqrt is highly optimized in C, so the gains might be negligible.

For high-performance needs, math.sqrt is usually faster and more accurate in Python, but using fast_inv_sqrt can be interesting for educational purposes or if you need an approximate result quickly in environments where performance matters.

You said:
ok so here’s a cool thing: you can autogenerate algorithms like that for any function. the “what the heck” number was likely picked numerically e.g. with newton’s method or similar semi-brute-forcing
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Yes, exactly! The "what the heck" constant (0x5f3759df) used in the fast inverse square root is indeed a carefully chosen number that works well for the bit-level manipulation involved in the algorithm. It's been suggested that this constant was derived through experimentation and tuning, possibly using methods like Newton's iteration.

Autogenerating Optimized Algorithms

What you’re suggesting—autogenerating such algorithms—is a powerful idea. You could:

  1. Use machine learning or genetic algorithms to evolve constants and operations to maximize performance.
  2. Apply symbolic computation to derive fast approximations, like polynomial fits or Newton's method.

Example: Newton's Method

Newton’s method can be generalized to improve any function. For example, to approximate sqrt(x):

  1. The formula for Newton’s method to find roots of f(x)=x2−Nf(x) = x^2 - Nf(x)=x2N (where NNN is the number we want the square root of) is:xn+1=12(xn+Nxn)x_{n+1} = \frac{1}{2} \left( x_n + \frac{N}{x_n} \right)xn+1=21(xn+xnN)
  2. You could start with a rough estimate (perhaps using bit-level tricks), and then use Newton's method to refine it.

This approach can be automated for various functions by defining the objective function (like inverse square root) and using methods to refine it, even discovering optimized constants like 0x5f3759df.

Python Example (Newton’s Method for sqrt)

python
def newton_sqrt(N, guess=1.0, iterations=5): x = guess for _ in range(iterations): x = 0.5 * (x + N / x) return x # Test with Point class class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y def mag(self): return newton_sqrt(self.x**2 + self.y**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) print(p.mag()) # Output should be close to 5.0

Automated Generation

With enough training data and some optimization strategies (e.g., brute-forcing or learning methods like gradient descent), you could numerically find these constants and generate efficient algorithms for any common mathematical function.

In languages like Python, where raw speed is less of a concern than in C, this approach could still be useful for approximations in specialized domains where performance is critical, like embedded systems, games, or scientific simulations.

You said:
can you update your python implementation of the fast inverse square root to use memoryviews instead of struct, to speed it up?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

python
import math def fast_inv_sqrt(x): threehalfs = 1.5 x2 = x * 0.5 y = x # Using memoryview instead of struct for bit-level manipulation mv = memoryview(bytearray(4)) mv.cast('f')[0] = y i = mv.cast('i')[0] i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) mv.cast('i')[0] = i y = mv.cast('f')[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) return y # Test with Point class class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y def mag(self): return 1 / fast_inv_sqrt(self.x**2 + self.y**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) p.mag()
Result
5.007767919735586

The updated version using memoryview for bit-level manipulation worked, and the result is approximately 5.0078, which is quite close to the expected result. This implementation could potentially speed up the function by avoiding the overhead of using the struct module. ​

You said:
ok but you’re still making a ton of calls, can’t you preallocate two memoryviews or do i misunderstand something?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

You're right! We can indeed preallocate memoryviews to avoid repeated allocations. By keeping two preallocated memoryviews, we can reuse them across calls, which will reduce overhead. Here's the optimized version that preallocates two memoryviews:

python
class FastInvSqrt: def __init__(self): # Preallocate memory for float and int views self.mv_float = memoryview(bytearray(4)).cast('f') self.mv_int = self.mv_float.cast('i') def compute(self, x): threehalfs = 1.5 x2 = x * 0.5 y = x # Use preallocated memoryview self.mv_float[0] = y i = self.mv_int[0] i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) self.mv_int[0] = i y = self.mv_float[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) return y # Test with Point class class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y self.fast_sqrt = FastInvSqrt() # Reuse fast inverse sqrt class def mag(self): return 1 / self.fast_sqrt.compute(self.x**2 + self.y**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) p.mag()

Key improvements:

  1. Preallocated memoryviewsmv_float and mv_int are created once in the FastInvSqrt class.
  2. Reusability: We avoid creating new memoryviews on each call, improving performance by reducing overhead.

This version should now minimize repeated memory allocation while keeping the bit manipulation efficient!

You said:
similarly is it faster if member variables are copied to local variables if reused or am i off?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Yes, you're correct! Copying member variables to local variables can indeed speed up the code. In Python, accessing class member variables requires a lookup in the object's dictionary (self.__dict__), which can add overhead. By storing frequently accessed member variables in local variables (which are looked up in the faster local namespace), we reduce this overhead.

Here’s the updated version of your code with member variables copied to local variables for better performance:

python
class FastInvSqrt: def __init__(self): self.mv_float = memoryview(bytearray(4)).cast('f') self.mv_int = self.mv_float.cast('i') def compute(self, x): threehalfs = 1.5 x2 = x * 0.5 mv_float = self.mv_float # Local variable mv_int = self.mv_int # Local variable mv_float[0] = x i = mv_int[0] i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) mv_int[0] = i y = mv_float[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) return y # Test with Point class class Pt: def __init__(self, x, y): self.x = x self.y = y self.fast_sqrt = FastInvSqrt() # Reuse fast inverse sqrt class def mag(self): x = self.x # Copy to local variable y = self.y # Copy to local variable return 1 / self.fast_sqrt.compute(x**2 + y**2) # Test p = Pt(3, 4) p.mag()

Key points:

  1. Local variables in computeself.mv_float and self.mv_int are copied to local variables, reducing lookup overhead during repeated access.
  2. Local variables in magself.x and self.y are copied to local variables, avoiding repeated lookup in the instance dictionary during calculations.

This can provide a noticeable speed improvement, especially in tight loops or functions where the same variables are accessed repeatedly. It's a common optimization technique in performance-sensitive Python code.

You said:
ok now paste me just the 6-line algorithm chunk of your latest version
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here’s the 6-line algorithm chunk from the latest version:

python
mv_float = self.mv_float mv_int = self.mv_int mv_float[0] = x i = mv_int[0] i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) mv_int[0] = i y = mv_float[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y))

This contains the key operations for the fast inverse square root using preallocated memoryviews.

You said:
can you add the original flavor comments and remove the two leading local copies? just to look at
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here’s the updated 6-line chunk with the original-style comments and the two leading local copies removed:

python
self.mv_float[0] = x i = self.mv_int[0] # evil floating point bit level hacking i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1) # what the heck? self.mv_int[0] = i y = self.mv_float[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) # 1st iteration of Newton's method

This version keeps the original flavor comments while removing the local variable assignments.

You said:
condense the assignment after what the heck into one line for conciseness. so, it looks like they made a single bit-twiddle as a very rough approximation, then improve it with a single newton’s method. this maybe isn’t complex evolutionary algorithm searching. it’s just one operation.
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Here’s the condensed version of the assignment, where the bit-twiddle and Newton's method are applied:

python
self.mv_float[0] = x self.mv_int[0] = 0x5f3759df - (self.mv_int[0] >> 1) # what the heck? y = self.mv_float[0] y = y * (threehalfs - (x2 * y * y)) # 1st iteration of Newton's method

This condenses the operation into a single line for the bit-twiddle approximation and retains the Newton's method refinement. You're right—this method uses a very rough bit-level approximation and then quickly improves it with just oneiteration of Newton's method, making it both simple and fast without any complex search algorithms involved.

You said:
can you describe how the bit-twiddle separately impacts the mantissa and exponent of the float? i’m imagining one of those has minor impact compared to the other?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

The bit-twiddling operation in the fast inverse square root affects both the mantissa and the exponent of the floating-point number, but its impact on each is quite different. Let's break it down:

IEEE 754 Floating Point Representation

A floating-point number is typically represented in memory (using 32 bits for a float) as:

  • 1 sign bit: Determines if the number is positive or negative.
  • 8 exponent bits: Encodes the scale of the number (how large or small it is).
  • 23 mantissa (fraction) bits: Encodes the significant digits or precision of the number.

The Bit-Twiddling Operation

The key bit-twiddling line:

c
i = 0x5f3759df - (i >> 1)

takes the integer representation of the float (through type-punning) and modifies it directly. Here’s what happens:

Impact on Exponent:

  • The exponent is the most significant part of the float. When you right-shift the integer (i >> 1), it effectively halves the value of the exponent. This results in a very rough approximation of the square root's exponent (since the square root operation is roughly equivalent to halving the exponent).
  • The subtraction of 0x5f3759df is designed to correct the bias introduced by the shift, helping to fine-tune the result of the bit shift so that the exponent gets closer to the correct value for the inverse square root.

Impact on Mantissa:

  • The mantissa (or fraction) encodes the precision of the number, and it is affected by the right-shift as well. However, the impact on the mantissa is not as direct because the bit-twiddle primarily adjusts the exponent.
  • The mantissa is less sensitive to small changes in the value, so the rough approximation from the bit-twiddle doesn’t introduce too much error. The subsequent iteration of Newton’s method quickly refines the mantissa to make the approximation more accurate.

Summary of Impact

  • Exponent: The bit-twiddle has a major impact on the exponent by roughly halving it, giving a coarse approximation of the inverse square root.
  • Mantissa: The bit-twiddle impacts the mantissa less significantly, and this error is quickly corrected by Newton's method.

This operation is powerful because it gives a decent approximation by mainly adjusting the exponent, and then Newton's method corrects any remaining error in the mantissa, providing an accurate result with just one refinement step.

You said:
list the parts of an ieee754 float
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

An IEEE 754 floating-point number (32-bit, single precision) consists of three main parts:

  1. Sign (1 bit):

    • The first bit determines the sign of the number.
    • 0 represents a positive number.
    • 1 represents a negative number.
  2. Exponent (8 bits):

    • These 8 bits encode the exponent in a biased form.
    • The bias for single precision is 127. The stored value is E + 127(where E is the actual exponent).
    • This allows both positive and negative exponents to be represented.
  3. Mantissa or Fraction (23 bits):

    • These 23 bits represent the significant digits of the number, also called the fraction.
    • There is an implicit leading 1 in normalized numbers, meaning the value stored is actually 1.fraction.
    • For subnormal numbers (numbers close to zero), the leading 1 is not implied, and the exponent is biased as zero.

Summary:

  • Sign: 1 bit (0 = positive, 1 = negative).
  • Exponent: 8 bits (biased by 127 for single precision).
  • Mantissa: 23 bits (with an implicit leading 1 in normalized numbers).

This layout allows a wide range of numbers to be represented, from very large to very small, with variable precision based on the number's magnitude.