On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 2:11:22 PM PDT, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
When I suggest that illegal re-entry is a 'victimless crime', that does not mean that there are not other crimes which illegal re-entry employs (such as people-smuggling) and further, crimes that it enables: Any crime subsequently committed by a person who is illegally present in America.
there is no such thing as being 'illegaly present in america'.
you think I am not aware of the criminal nonsense that the criminals known as 'government' say? the non-crime of crossing a state border is a crime only according to the utmost criminal scum known as 'government' and 'the state'. I know that. And you should know that. So what's the point of bringing it up? According to the govt 'illegal' drugs are 'illegal'. So they are 'illegal' then, according to the government. Is that news? a=a ? Is that anything else apoart from circular lawyer nonsense?
I don't have to agree with a law to recognize that others believe it exists.
this is the A of the ABC of libertarian philosophy.
Upon elimination of government, there should be no governmental boundaries. But that doesn't mean the elimination of PRIVATE boundaries, property lines.
That has nothing to do with anything you said in your previous message. And I've already dealt with the private 'anarchist' state nonsense in the past anyway. Hopefully you remember how I countered all that right wing nonsense in a few messages TO YOU.
Sadly, some (recent) libertarians don't realize this.
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Put simply, if the government had actually been enforcing immigration law for the last 30+ years, there might easily be a half-million illegals
what are you talking about? Didn't you say you are a > 'libertarian' and an 'anarchist'? Has Jim Bell's mail account been hacked?
I don't have to agree with this, in order to recognize reality.
Come on. If you actually didn't agree with this you'd denounce it as a wholly criminal, anti-libertarian activity carried by the US government. But that's not what you did : what you did is 1) invoke americunt law in a 'neutral' (haha) way. 2) handwave some nonsense about 'private' statism and 'private' boundaries. 3) mention that 'illegal aliens' commit other crimes. Really? AND SO DO G'D APPROVED AND CERTIFIED LEGAL SERFS, I mean subjects, I mean 'legal citizens'. So what's your point? OH YES, SMEARING 'ILLEGAL ALIENS'. And pandering to fucking right wingers. To be fair, I first thought you correctly categorized any 'immigration crime' as a non-crime. Too bad you 'clarified' your position....
It's quite true: IF the United States government had, in fact, been enforcing the law that it claims exists, no large quantity of people not legally authorized to be in America would exist.
If the US government executed all user of 'illegal' drugs there would be no users of 'illegal' drugs left. What's next? I can come up with a few more valid analogies to your anti-libertarin immigration nonsense. Hopefully you get the point.
in America, rather that what I suspect to be, 20 million. (the figures bandied commonly about, 11-12 million are nonsense.)
So, if ICE actually did its job,
> .... Jim Bell might want to create a new email account because > this one can't belong to him.
I'm referring to the job ICE claims to have: To enforce immigration law. I did not express approval of that law, merely its existence.
Really. And what is your point by 'expressing the existence' of one of the many vastly criminal activities of the US government? You think people in an allegedly ANARCHIST mailing list are not aware of them?
much of the crime associated with illegal aliens simply wouldn't occur.
> What. Crime.
Are you arguing that crime doesn't exist
Don't take me for an idiot Jim.
?Are you arguing that laws shouldn't exist?Are you arguing that people who are said to be illegally in America don't commit crimes? What?
Are you going to deport all the scum from wall street? Do you understand that the biggest criminals ON THE PLANET are wall street CEOs? Just look at how much they STEAL. Are you going to apply your 'principles' in a consistent way? Deport people who allegedly commit crimes? No? You are not asking to deport the owners of goldman sachs and raytheon?
No point in dealing with the rest of your fascist, 1000% anti > libertarian vomit.
Your reputation precedes you.
What do you think happens to your 'reputation' as 'anarchist' when people read your nonsense about state borders? Granted, vast majority of people are either outright fascists or fake libertarians. But if real libertarians read your 'newutral description' of 'ICE's job' rest assured your reputation would take the hit it deserves.
I'm trying to actually solve the problem. You are just complaining.
meh, so presenting the libertarian position on borders amounts to 'complaining' - OK.